Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Common guys, the topic has changed.

We're on the new tractor structure now, lol...

Don't need it lol. 3 tractor 2s and 5 salavge dornes, even at lv 4 is more than you will ever need.

Didn't Bill Gates famously say something similar about memory?


Do it with a Golem. And torpedoes. Then you'll have earned my respect.
Marauders aren't a total failure, they're just suck "lite".

I missed the part where you are comparing this in any way to what you can already do on TQ.
Perhaps You could post stats for what you were able to accomplish with the TQ Vargur in the same missions.

The lack of applicable content in your posts is rather sad to see, Similar to Joe Risalos constant posts about the new Golem while not having experience with the current version.

I must have missed your post where you answer all the previous questions i asked you.

Hellll-ooo... Earth to Dinsdale, Earth to Dinsdale. Put this whatever you're smoking down NOW!

Since my Kronos on SiSi gives noticeably higher ticks than my Kronos on TQ I don't feel nerfed.

I recognize your authority on running Incursions (it's benefit of doubt, but still) but if you're gonna speak for mission runners like me, please don't until you have some hard data to back it.

There is simply no point in this post other than paper numbers. I'm an all-time Vargur pilot. I simply disregard this post.
Telling "Rubicon Marauder is just plain better in every situation " is as same as telling you've not been playing Vargur in TQ for some time. If you've been playing with this ship long enough, you'd see there is no point telling any of the nerfs aren't worth that much.

At this point I'd like to ask these three most simple questions to you:
- (Point of little/no difference) Exactly what benefit you get for missioning (properly, including salvaging) in Rubicon Vargur against TQ Vargur, from the perspective of both ISK/hr and enjoyment?
- (Point of nothing new) What is different from playing Sentry Dominix, with the proposed Vargur? Enemy ewar won't land you properly when you're 100km away anyway.
- (Point of enjoyment) What makes you so happy with the Rubicon Marauder? Sniping? Or Sitting and bashing?

Edit: Weakest Marauder? I only give you credit for gurista, since they're kinetic type as primary damage taken. Kinetic ammo (Titanium Sabots) have lower dps than their thermal/emp/explosive ammo. This also makes Vargur the most adaptable marauder vessel, since you can switch to all damage types. Same goes with Golem, but when playing with my friend side-by-side, I can see they're having trouble about damage application to smaller vessels in TQ. At the same time Golems also require more reload than any other Marauder, unfortunately. Not to mention their ammo should be somewhat more expensive and taking more Cargo space (need confirmation*)

Aaactually since I run two T2 range rigs + Bastion + the extra TC I'm ahead by at least 2 range increasing modules. Not to mention the extra versatility and adaptability (0.13 tracking for hitting those blaster serps and angle battleships, 82km range for hitting stuff that stays out at range)

Since most everything will still be alive by the time you get to the gate what does it matter if you're a tiny bit slower at getting to it? Also I can get to any gate within 200km in a minute (9sec if it's 75-100km away)

And heres the thing about "bling" and what I meant. A pirate BS is still a lot of money, a RNI is still a lot fo isk. but these need 500mill+ in bling. That makes a very juicy target. I pay the same but I don't need 500mill+ in modules to make the vargur work meaning all a ganker is going to get when he kills me is 10mill in T2 modules. Hence I am safe from gankers looking for isk while you are not :D

What stuff exactly? The 4 fleet gyros (He shoudl be running 3 faction and a T2 really) You're saying you are going to scan him down in his mission and gank him with a couple of tornados where IF ALL 3-4 gyros drop you WONT EVEN BREAK EVEN?

Are you serious? Hahahahaha.

But yea, I don't think arty vargur is the way to go honestly. AC's are fine.

A few catalysts?

What the strontium are you smoking?

No seriously are you on some kind of mind altering drug?

You realise that not ONLY can he rep 400+ RAW SHIELD HP per SECOND but he has 66% thermal and 71% kin resist on shields with over 10k shield buffer not to mention similar resists on armor with another 9k+ armor hp AAAAND 30% omni hull resists.

And you want to kill that with a couple of catas?

IN HIGH SEC?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just so you can see some numbers, you'd need 3 catas just to break the tank. Then you'd need to chew through 60k+ EHP. I figure you'd need around.... 20 or so catas given 15 seconds of free firing. 30 for 10 seconds of free firing.

Actually, (Golem/Bastion + 2x T2 range rigs) < (Raven + 3x T2/T1 range rigs); the 25% range on Bastion is stacking penalized. At best, it's marginally better when you're at a dead standstill in a Golem. At worst, it's still less anytime you're moving. I don't need $500-million of modules on a Raven to make it work, either. I can also insure my $150-million Raven and get 75% back if I lose it. The Golem, not a chance

I get it - you love your Marauder. But let's not overlook the fact that your viewpoint is possibly skewed because you've invested a substantial amount of time into it, either. Yes, the current iteration of Marauders are better in (most) respects than the original. That's not saying very much, though.