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[Rubicon] Marauder rebalancing

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Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6521 - 2013-10-22 10:21:26 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So what are the new Marauders actually geared towards then? It's obviously not PvP, and we've heard quite a few comments that some won't fare well in incursions after this. Definitely L4s, but it's not like there aren't a dozen or more hulls that also excel at L4s. There's the "shoot and loot" aspect, but again - a solid L4 mission runner + Noctis will still outperform a Marauder. Most who've trained for them will still use in that capacity, but what's the incentive?


Easy fail safe PvE, mega easy to fit, ****** proof tank, lol ewar immunity and insane projection.

My nightmare requires fittings compromises, faction modules, cap management etc.....Paladin negates all of these issues.

Marauders seem to be eves dummies guides to PvE.
Mr Chop-Chop
InsufficientFunds LLC.
#6522 - 2013-10-22 10:38:58 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:


Oh god the stupid, it hurts.

Hint! Brawling works fine, if you do the right sites the rats will spawn on top of you, and the few that get away you can easily approach with a 100m ab + overheated web. 1400 dps on something that doesnt move is good, mkay?

And what in gods name made you think that i use salv drones? does going from hammers to hobs not reduce my income?


PVE Brawling works fine in just that one single situation were you do not have to move. Wonderfull you found the perfect applicationn for the new bastion mod. Straight

Even more reason to be happy about the changes.

But oh wait, change... Change is bad, we can't have that. How would we know were we'd be in ten years if stuff constantly keeps changing. Stop the change! Roll

No, going from Hammers to Hobs does not reduce your income unless you didn't fit any guns of your own. The very notion that this could indeed be the truth is so stupid that I won't even consider it further. The reason for that is that Hobs hit frigates better than Hammerheads it's especially noticeable if You're up against elite frigs.

If You insist on using salvage drones, don't complain about them needing space in your drone bay. Really, it's that simple. Salvage drones are mind numbingly slow get a Noctis, it's worth it. I promise!



Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6523 - 2013-10-22 10:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:

Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.

Straight Really? You won't even try to make your case?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6524 - 2013-10-22 11:13:08 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:

Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.

Straight Really? You won't even try to make your case?

" sh*t ,rational argument.......scarper!!!!"
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6525 - 2013-10-22 11:21:34 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:

Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.

Straight Really? You won't even try to make your case?

" sh*t ,rational argument.......scarper!!!!"


Yea, I was actually waiting for the part were I could make the suggestion that he should start to use a vindicator if his normal playstyle really got so severely impacted.

But meh. Workload in the office is increasing so I don't think I'll really care anymore.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6526 - 2013-10-22 11:51:04 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:

Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.

Straight Really? You won't even try to make your case?

" sh*t ,rational argument.......scarper!!!!"


Yea, I was actually waiting for the part were I could make the suggestion that he should start to use a vindicator if his normal playstyle really got so severely impacted.

But meh. Workload in the office is increasing so I don't think I'll really care anymore.

Pitty, that was shaping up to be a nice little back and fourth.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6527 - 2013-10-22 11:53:53 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:

Jesus christ. You're like a besserwisser with a 70 IQ. It's been grand talking to you, but my efforts are needed elsewhere.

Straight Really? You won't even try to make your case?

" sh*t ,rational argument.......scarper!!!!"


Yea, I was actually waiting for the part were I could make the suggestion that he should start to use a vindicator if his normal playstyle really got so severely impacted.

But meh. Workload in the office is increasing so I don't think I'll really care anymore.

Pitty, that was shaping up to be a nice little back and fourth.



It would have been awesome. Big smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Claire Raynor
NovaGear
#6528 - 2013-10-22 12:15:53 UTC
These Ships are now awesome!!!

P.S. What is the Plural of Kronos? Kronosi, Kronosses, Kroni? Pls tell meeee!!! :)
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6529 - 2013-10-22 13:14:42 UTC
Claire Raynor wrote:
These Ships are now awesome!!!

P.S. What is the Plural of Kronos? Kronosi, Kronosses, Kroni? Pls tell meeee!!! :)

Kronuses? Big smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6530 - 2013-10-22 13:26:36 UTC
Hell ***** wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So what are the new Marauders actually geared towards then? It's obviously not PvP, and we've heard quite a few comments that some won't fare well in incursions after this. Definitely L4s, but it's not like there aren't a dozen or more hulls that also excel at L4s. There's the "shoot and loot" aspect, but again - a solid L4 mission runner + Noctis will still outperform a Marauder. Most who've trained for them will still use in that capacity, but what's the incentive?


Easy fail safe PvE, mega easy to fit, ****** proof tank, lol ewar immunity and insane projection.

My nightmare requires fittings compromises, faction modules, cap management etc.....Paladin negates all of these issues.

Marauders seem to be eves dummies guides to PvE.


Considering price and skill intensity, I'm perfectly fine with them doing what they were intended to do all along and being easy to use pve.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6531 - 2013-10-22 13:29:01 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Claire Raynor wrote:
These Ships are now awesome!!!

P.S. What is the Plural of Kronos? Kronosi, Kronosses, Kroni? Pls tell meeee!!! :)

Kronuses? Big smile


I think I've heard Kroni used in the alliance tournament....
But then again I've probably also heard Kronoses.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6532 - 2013-10-22 13:36:52 UTC
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Mr Chop-Chop wrote:
Brawling style of pve(conflagration) no longer viable due to web bonus being removed. Less isk/h
Fewer slots for dps mods or tank because I now need to fit tracking mods. Less isk/h
Smaller drones = less isk/h
Bastion is suicide in null

Wow, you're using a short range brawler setup for pve and complain about lacking isk/h...

Here's a hint. don't brawl in PVE, your marauder always has been and always will be to slow for that. You'll be a lot faster if you use a setup that can hit just about everything from where you are.

smaller drones... don't tell me you were stupid enough to use salvage drones to "enhance" your PVE experience with your marauder.. Oh wait, You did use sentries on frigates instead of small drones?

I can't actually decide which is more inneffective... Straight

Next hint(s), salvaging with a marauder is never worth it. Never has been and never will be. Not ever. Instead, just kill everything, mark the location com back later with a noctis. You'll be faster and therefore earn more isk/h.

And for the frigs, kill them with your big guns as long as they're far away and switch to small T2 drones once they're close enough. Believe me, I tried both versions, sentries arre only worth it if you have 5 of them and use a dedicated drone boat.

Bastion in null. You might want to reconsider using your Marauder in null at all if your corp/alliance cannot provide enough intel to warn you in time to unbastion your 1bil gank target. Because if your nullbear pals can't do even that, You might want to use a drake. Or maybe you need a new alliance, who knows I won't care. Roll


Oh god the stupid, it hurts.

Hint! Brawling works fine, if you do the right sites the rats will spawn on top of you, and the few that get away you can easily approach with a 100m ab + overheated web. 1400 dps on something that doesnt move is good, mkay?

And what in gods name made you think that i use salv drones? does going from hammers to hobs not reduce my income?


OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6533 - 2013-10-22 13:51:19 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????


Arguments smashed by logic. Shocked

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Tramar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6534 - 2013-10-22 14:03:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tramar
Joe Risalo wrote:


OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????

Good luck MJDing from an enemy pilot in null while waiting for the bastion mode to finish and seeing him in grind in about 20-30s.

This new update just makes it yet another mjd highsec carebear ship, still inferior in dps and tank to navy(CHEAPER)-pirate BSs, while having a high skill requirement. Still with outdated bonuses.
Tramar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6535 - 2013-10-22 14:03:48 UTC
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6536 - 2013-10-22 14:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Tramar wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:


OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????

Good luck MJDing from an enemy pilot in null while waiting for the bastion mode to finish and seeing him in grind in about 20-30s.

This new update just makes it yet another mjd highsec carebear ship, still inferior in dps and tank to navy(CHEAPER)-pirate BSs, while having a high skill requirement. Still with outdated bonuses.


HUH?

Why would you be worried about MJD or bastion when a pvp target is in system?
Shouldn't you be more focused on docking up like all the other null bears?
Expecially in a freaking Marauder... Those things aren't cheap, ya know?

They're also still not truly intended for pvp, they just have niche capabilities in pvp.

That said, and MJD works great for pve where you don't get warp scrambled.


edit...

Furthermore... I've been to null.... If you're not actively engaged in pvp, aren't you required to dock up in the event any non-friendly target comes into system?
Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#6537 - 2013-10-22 14:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tilly Delnero
Edited to remove herp derp and general stupidity. Unfortunately, this left nothing left so.. um, hi and have a nice day.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6538 - 2013-10-22 14:12:22 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Tramar wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:


OOH, ooh, ohohohohohoh!!!!!!

I have an idea!!!!
It's so crazy that CCP actually implemented it on the ships!!!!
I mean, if not for the words, I would never have thought about it!!!

If you're in a mission where rats spawn on top of you... wait... I'm too excited... I need to calm down....






Ok, I'm better..... you can...... MJD!!!!

I KNOW!!!!

Crazy right????

Good luck MJDing from an enemy pilot in null while waiting for the bastion mode to finish and seeing him in grind in about 20-30s.

This new update just makes it yet another mjd highsec carebear ship, still inferior in dps and tank to navy(CHEAPER)-pirate BSs, while having a high skill requirement. Still with outdated bonuses.


HUH?

Why would you be worried about MJD or bastion when a pvp target is in system?
Shouldn't you be more focused on docking up like all the other null bears?
Expecially in a freaking Marauder... Those things aren't cheap, ya know?

They're also still not truly intended for pvp, they just have niche capabilities in pvp.

That said, and MJD works great for pve where you don't get warp scrambled.


I am going to love the new frigate gangs in my golem.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6539 - 2013-10-22 14:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Tramar wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

Crazy right????

Good luck MJDing from an enemy pilot in null while waiting for the bastion mode to finish and seeing him in grind in about 20-30s.

This new update just makes it yet another mjd highsec carebear ship, still inferior in dps and tank to navy(CHEAPER)-pirate BSs, while having a high skill requirement. Still with outdated bonuses.
If you actually use Your marauder in Nullsec, I'd suspect You'll have at least one large neut fitted. Just in case someone in a cruiser or frig wants to scram/warp disrupt you.

And as a further note, anything that's beyond your neut range and can still put a scram on you will most likely have a paper thin tank, your marauder should be able to waste that pretty fast.

That said, almost any other battleship in the same situation would have the same problem. Some pirate BS' excluded.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#6540 - 2013-10-22 14:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Tilly Delnero wrote:
Replacing the local tank bonus with a pointless web bonus? Please tell me this is a belated April fool. Adding MJD bonus alongside the range bonus of the static Bastion module then returning a 10km web bonus makes zero sense.

Please stop listening to whiny overentitled niche-setup Incursion runner(s) who can't adapt, and roll back to a version of the Marauders that doesn't make me wish I'd bought a Nightmare instead. Cry


Aren't you about 100 pages late?

That was iteration two which has then bee reverted to iteration one which has been further altered to iteration three.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.