Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hmm, I don't quite understand you. You would like T2 resist more? Problem is that they suck for Paladin and Vargur in Level 4 missions. And since most pilots flying marauders use them for lvl 4 than would **** them off (and rightly so). Having a high omni resists should be the signature mark for marauders. But not linked to bastion because it sucks on incursions and wh. From my testing on Sisi u wont even need a bastion for most lvl 4 missions (thats for Paladin who does not need the extra range - don't know about others...)

Uhm, they're incredible in WHs, since WH mechanics make it hard to blob them and break the tank.

What makes you think you should have an easy time taking on 20+ T3 ships or a dread (which wont get dropped on you outside of sisi) solo?

Coz my T3 or command will get rr and marauder wont...? A dread wont be dropped on me? Man you clearly have no idea about wh warfare...

They arnt a big fleet ship and the vast bulk of space will not see a dread deployed on a 1 bil BS.

I've read a few of the threads here but I'd like to just address the changes and provide my input. CCP...what hell were you thinking? I can't begin to even think of where to start, but since i must lets just focus on generalizations.

You have 4 ships here that granted fly and perform differently, but are completely out of balance with each other. It's almost alien to be honest. The golem is keeping its TP bonus while the paladin and kronos lose web bonus.

Let's focus on one particular ship, the paladin for instance. Traditionally the paladin has mainly been seen as a pve only ship and there are a couple reason for this but the primary of which is just price alone. I would be more enticed to fly a T3 ship into pvp than a paladin keeping in mind that a T3 can get pretty far up there in price. At least with a T3 I get flexibility. Granted T2s SHOULD be specialized; however, you seem to have approached it wrong here. You have black ops that are quite stealthy and you have marauders which you could have made quite great with insanely high DPS.

To put it in perspective you would have black ops doing less dps than a marauder and than the marauder doing far more than a T1 or black ops...similar to the way T2 ammo works in relation to T1 ammo. Anti-ship missiles hit harder but lack distance, long range lack dps but shoot further, and T1 ammo is about average of the two. Instead, you have turn the marauder into nothing more than a locked down bucket of bolts that is made to be a tank.

Bastion mode is a nice thought process but what is going to win it for marauders isn't sitting still tanking the **** out of something poorly, its going to be ripping T1 BSes, T1, and T2 BCs to shreds. Essentially you now have a ship that sits completely still for 1 min (keeping in mind most smaller engagements rarely go passed 2 min).

For the life of me I can't see the need to put a MJD bonus on them either. They are bulky battleships that move slow. Granted you can use MJDs tactically effective, but that is mostly in defensive stances. Assuming you are fighting a couple of cruisers or frigs, lets say you MJD out to 100km. Now you can snip and blap yes? Absolutely not. Those frigs are going to burn in on your ass, and if you are a golem you're screwed as straight and fast is the best way to avoid missile dmg. You put yourself in Bastion mode at that point and now you are stuck for one min, assuming you survive the minute and a cruiser or frig scrams you...your MJD is now useless.

Essentially you turned marauders into sniping battleships that cant move for a minute, its insane. Not to mention if you lose your drones in a pally then you are truly ****** as you no longer get that web bonus.

There are three ships that use those types of mods and makes them unable to move carriers, dreads, and rorqual. All of which can have INSANELY higher HP than a marauder ever will. I appreciate the fact you are trying to close the gap between capitals and subcaps but the mod is a bit ridiculous. It wouldn't be nearly as bad without the web bonus. If you want to keep bastion mode great, but to completely stop a ship to use it is a bit under-powered. Perhaps a slower rate of travel while it is active ( a speed penalty if you will) like non-covert ops cloaks work. Slow the speed to maybe 1/2 or 2/3rds of max velocity without the mod on.

It almost seems counter productive to have a module that gets you 100km out which implies an agile battleship yet another module that completely stops you. Its almost like putting MWD bonuses on a carrier or dread and have the triage and siege mods respectively....doesnt make since.

So my suggestions would be allow the marauders to be more mobile with bastion on, slap the web bonuses back on the kronos and pally...i believe the Vargur has turret tracking (not sure if that is removed). To be honest you killed the drone capacity on marauders and you take away their tracking and web bonus...where does the anti-frigate defense kick in? I mean its ok sort of if you have a complete fleet supporting you...but to be honest T1 battleships can defend themselves better than a bloody marauder.

It seems you guys once again have tried to push changes out and you did a great job notifying us in advance...but you failed in following through, you decide to completely change it and remove the webs a month before an expansion is released? That will be what really sells it for me will be the web.

Oh yes, turn it around so that it appears the ship doesn't suck cause now cruise missiles are better...

Do cruise missiles getting buffed help the Golem?
Of course it does

However, I still can't fly one in at least 50% of Caldari missions due to jams.
You can't fly them in at least 50% of Gallente missions due to damps.
If you fly in Minmatar space, you get death by target painter.
If you fly in Amarr space, you get death by neut.


There is no reason why anyone should consider the marauders on TQ better than what is provided with bastion.

Better range, better tank, ewar immunity, awesome MJD CD time.

Even with being locked down by Bastion, these ships still have a much better chance of survival in both pve and pvp than they have EVER had before.

If you don't believe this, you're simply pushing for an uber pvp ship.
These ships have been pve focused since they were designed, and CCP knows damn good and well that if they change them to pvp focus, the forums with burn with rage and so will Jita... again...

If you don't like them, THEN DON'T FLY THEM!!!
You have tons of other ships to choose from if you want a pvp ship....

You want a ship comperable to a pirate ship, then fly a freaking pirate ship...

Quote for greater Justice.

Could not quote it often enough :(

anyway - CCP will notice what they are doing with them half a decade later, so there are still hopes..

Not sure where you're coming from here. I am a 100% PVE player, I could care less about Marauder PVP viability. I am flying my Golem in Amarr space RIGHT NOW and I could care less about neuts. Why? Because I don't use an XL booster that sucks my cap dry in 1 min and I can just kite/tank with perm AB running.

Better range? I don't need to shoot 300 km with cruise missiles. Better tank? Sure, but cruise golem tanked perfectly fine already. Your problem was you were using torps (to be frank I tanked fine when I was using torps too...) MJD CD time is nice, but most of the time you can MJD out, kill everything with cruises, then MJD back to gate already. You don't clear rooms in less than 3 min unless you have "god-mode kill everything button" anyway, so the current 3 min MJD CD is perfectly fine.

What I want is for my Marauder to fly the way it does currently (loot as I go), not be nerfed for a Bastion module that is extremely niche in its use.

My point to you is that you should go on TQ, refit your Golem with Cruise and MJD, and see for yourself that all your happiness about the SiSi version already exists on TQ. Bastion just slows you down. The saving grace is the e-war immunity, which is probably the only reason I would ever turn on Bastion.

Agreed, I'm actually pretty neutral about this change. Just that I noticed that you seem to be so excited about it and I wanted to point out that the only thing you are getting out of your Golem's Bastion is really e-war immunity (and a slight cap nerf). Everything else you can already do on TQ, that's all I'm saying. You can't give accurate feedback if you're essentially missing an iteration step in your experience with the ship, that being the Cruise Golem.

I don't deny that e-war immunity is really nice in missions, but everything else... meh.