Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Of course you get it. You just don't accept it, but let me explain it this way:

EVE did something bad to you and now, you are harboring a grudge, which is why you are on this forum. If you were such a forgiving person, you would accept the "random" standing loss that EVE imposed on you and just move on.

Since you asked what I think:

I think a pod-kill in eve is about as close as you can get to committing an atrocity or war crime (yes, I do it myself, but in wormhole space where there are no inconvenient record-keepers).

I think it's reasonable that the friends and allies of someone against whom you committed an atrocity will be upset and demand that their corporation marks you out for special attention.

They certainly aren't going to want you turning up and asking for work!

So a standings loss with an NPC corp of which you have smeared the body one of their valued members across the stars seems to me to be the very least of sanctions.

If I were running that NPC corp I think I'd wardec you, your corp, your wife, children and the next 5 generations of your family.

Why don't NPC corps give bad standings for nullsec and WH space? Because ::CCP logic::; that's why.
Riddle me this: How does killing NPCs in null yield the highest security status gains but killing pod after pod after pod after pod after pod after pod . . . for no justifiable reason whatsoever does not yield ANY security status loss, nor killright?

You call bs? I concur. BULL [expletive deleted]!

Sorry to reopen this thread, didn't think it was necessary to open a new one.

ive just stumbled upon this problem and was wondering if anyone has managed to get any clarification from CCP.

basically 1 pod kill of a yellow brutor tribe guy has wiped out 5 years of missioning with 1 nado burst.

now i am -2.5ish from +9.something, i under stand if pod killing is bad, but 5 years work in one minute?

Come on CCP sort it out.

have petitioned and if noone has anything to say i will see what they say and report back, (the bits im allowed to share)

OK, adding my 2 cents here.

Disclaimer: I am not in ganking business, and not in an NPC-Corp (obviously).

I think, the idea of getting standing loss for a pod kill, even in an limited engagement is not bad. Podkilling is ment to take place in Null/WH, not in high / low.

You can argue over the amount of standing loss. going from "We love the dirt under your shoes" to "Get the f... out" for one pod is definetly to harsh. Maybe from around 9 to just <5, to withhold level 4 missions, but nothing more. Please do the math yourself, where we end after multiple kills, I am no lazy atm. But I think, it should work out a lot nicer that way.

Can't you two dumbasses learn to read?

It's standings loss not sec loss and I'm not crying about standings loss but about standings loss only for NPC corporations, player corporations hold zero power in highsec so if they set standings towards you to -10 I don't even give a damn, it's different when NPC corp charges you extra and won't let you do their missions on the other hand...

Geez....

Who the **** cares about NPC corp standings?

You'll get into one whenever you want if that's what you want, no matter what standings you have.

penalties for podding players should be reserved for the sec status system. There shouldn't be an extra penalty for one side if the other side is in an NPC corp. All the standings stuff is legacy stuff that was written and been largely unchanged forever.

A question, does taking a standings hit to a noob corp or npc corp or fw corp result in a derived hit with the parent faction? if so, then that would be a rather long-lasting and difficult to repair kind of penalty, which would be completely unjustified.

Ok I podded around 100 guys in player corporations in highsec, some of them set standings towards me to -10, I also received threats of payback, insults and general asshatry.

NOTHING happened, standings were bad but players that I podded never came at me for it.
I have been in a player corp so they could wardec me but that didn't happen.

So why do I get punished when I pod a guy in NPC corp... Much less... Why do I get standings hit only in highsec and lowsec?

It's not the lore and even if it was a lore thing you have to have at least limited engagement of sorts to be able to pod someone with sec hit, meaning that fight is mutual and not one sided.

Gameplay wise there is no need for this **** and it would be better that all limited engagement or suspect flag where you pod someone incurs a small sec loss instead of NPC corp hit which are next to impossible to repair.

People whine about too many players in NPC corporations that you can't wardec.

This extra podding deterrent that only ever applies to them is additional reason for them to stay in NPC corporations.

Eve is a game with consequences but consequences should make sense and be more player based than to have some system preventing us from being bad to others instead. Player controlled environment is what defines a true sandbox.

but you did get punished when you killed someone in the player corps...they lowered their standings with you, just like the npc corps. YOU choose not to interact with those players corps other than shoot at them so YOU don't view it as a punishment, but regardless of how it affects you it is still in fact a punishment. If YOU choose not to interact with the npc corp of people you killed then YOU could also view that as not being a punishment, however YOU do choose to interact with those npc corps and therefore YOU must deal with the consequences of YOUR actions. The ONLY punishment for killing a person in a npc corp (that concord doesn't care if you kill) is the standings hit you get with that corp whereas you COULD get much more severe consequences from players, just cause you haven't gotten anything other than some mails (somehow i think you loved getting them too for the /tear value so that's a bonus not punishment in your case) doesn't mean it never will happen. However a npc corp can't put a fleet together and issue payback now can they?faction missions are most def mutual and you better believe they result in the loss of standings (storyline too btw) so the lore is there you're just choosing to ignore itnot impossible just very difficult, just like repairing the standings loss of killing someone in a player corp would be very difficult since most corps would req you to pay back the isk lost in the kill and if that guy had a full set of +5's then I consider that difficult for the average player to do. And there are tags you can turn in to help raise standings with a npc corp and they are tradeable on the market so yes I will compare the 2.and there are drawbacks to being in a npc corp as well so it's not like all rainbows and unicorns like you seem to be trying to paint the picture as. You'll note that most active players (mains not alts) are in fact in a player corp not npc (there is a reason tax free corps exist)they do make sense, you are simply choosing to ignore what you dont like so you can get a drastically lighter punishment or in the case of suspect pilots none at all.




The ONLY legit complaint is that the npc standings hit is too high a % and should be reduced to something more inline with concord's standings changes (maybe a -25% instead of -75% for killing a pod), that much I can understand if one of you actually tried that approach but this removal altogether is silly of you.