Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only way I'd see any web bonus useful in these ships is not by giving them a strength bonus but a range per level bonus under max new EAFs without links and making so with links you couldn't go further than 40km.
Not an uber bonus you tell me and I'd agree with you but always better than a worst one so even the slowest of them could win some seconds to either get in range or put another shot or two on targets.

Anyway, still not convinced with any proposal this ship will be worth of its training sills requirements for anything else than high/low sec structure bashing and rats killing, still makes me sad panda.

I wonder what the total increase in mission times will be when you add all of these things together:

• Lower base speed
• Higher base mass (lower acceleration for AB/MWD)
• Higher align time
• Lower warp acceleration/deceleration
• Lower top warp speed

Did I miss anything here? Depending on the number of jumps away the mission is located and the number of mission gates you have to use this could be a pretty significant increase in total mission time compared to today.

If anything the hull looks more like a tick than anything else. Still a good ship though

There is a possibility that CCP will do as they see fit due to a lack of any mass consensus upon any of the changes (what is liked/disliked/what should be tweaked). Getting multiple people to "like" posts, people stating similar suggestions, and/or quoting others comments may give CCP a more sound reason for modifying the proposed changes.

Starting with general ideas and letting CCP decide on specific values/percentages for bonuses/resists/etc might make coming to a general agreement more feasible. Example: Instead of T2 resists; I will be suggesting an increase in resists (meaning at least better than current resists on TQ), and letting CCP decide how much better.

I will try to list these suggestions with respect to the order in which the proposed changes appear in the first post.
I know a little bit about the game. I think these are good suggestions/tweaks to the Marauder changes. I could be wrong, and I am wrong fairly often. Just remember, these are from my current (limited) knowledge of this game.

Starting with one thing in mind: The Bastion Module is being pushed onto Marauders. CCP is determined to have this module go through no matter how good or bad it may be. Most players seem to feel that CCP is trying to make this class use the module to the extent of limiting other play styles with the class. This is the same with CCP pushing for Marauder pilots to use a Micro Jump Drive. These two ideas towards specialization should be attractive options without the detriment to current play-styles. I think the hull changes have a large effect on making some current play-styles less appealing.

What do Marauder pilots think about these points/suggestions:
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Bastion Module benefits and/or detriments stay as listed, let CCP decide/tweak percentages for all bonuses

Change the tractor beam Role Bonus (Notics and new deployable structures challenge the use of this); therefore, add a salvaging bonus and have CCP modify tractor beam/salvaging bonus percentages

An extra high slot is given, do not add the extra high slot. Add an extra medium or low slot (Bastion Module slot is low slot? I want to know which of the three slots would pilots rather see added)

Have an increase in resists, let CCP decide/tweak percentages (benefits class regardless of use of Bastion Module or not)

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If it is not listed above, then iteration #1 stats stay as listed. Only other point would be to give back some of the mobility. I do not understand the reasoning behind such a decrease in mobility when if people use the Bastion Module they are immobile. Just not 100% sure where I stand on that change and how it affects others play-styles.

I will definitely be testing out the changes on the test server as extensively as i can.

It'd look perfectly fine if they didn't completely bung up the wings like that- it's the wings that make it look absolutely ridiculous. If the wings were the same shape as per usual, it'd be fine.

The hammerhead bridge there looks great IMO, and I think it should turn up on more Caldari ships.

I'd genuinely enjoy flying this ship if they un-kinked the wings, and decided not to make it one of the slowest overall subcapitals ever forced to use MJDs.

I think there are much better ways to encourage the use of MJD and the bastion module on the Marauder hulls without taking a knife to the hull's "sensitive bits".

MJD
Simply allow the adjustment of jump range through a script, abort, or some other mechanic. This could be as limited as 100km and 50 km. With the cooldown time role bonus I think you'd see a lot more pilots using this propulsion module. It supports the sniper and brawler play style in PVE as NPCs disrupt and not scram. There is no need to make the base hull a-brick-trying-to-slide-down-a-ramp-covered-with-sand-paper-while-submerged-in-molasses-on-a-frozen-tundra kind of slow.

Bastion Module
This is a much more difficult problem to solve. The crux of which revolves around the current value equation used to balance the module's power. Since it currently only replaces the 4th utility high slot which in and of itself doesn't provide much value, the power level of the module has to be balanced by added significant drawbacks to its use; such as immobility and exclusion of remote assistance.

On paper the overall effect is balanced. However, when applied to EVE world scenarios, the drawbacks severely limit the module's possible usage in dangerous areas such as low or null security space and make it unattractive in engagements that favor remote assistance. As I see it the resistance and local repair bonuses are offset by the remote assistance exclusion while the EWAR immunity is paired with being immobile. The range bonus is a nice trade off for the loss of the 4th utility high slot.

The base hull bonuses as they stand now with Iteration 1 are pretty decent and are at least coherent. If it goes live as-is we'll see Marauders used as they are used today with maybe a few more pilots leveraging the MJD and/or bastion modules. It's not great but at least the current users won't be terribly impacted by the changes (except the drone bandwidth/bay nerfs). I don't see a compelling reason for the number of Marauder pilots to increase with these changes. This saddens me as I have always loved the idea of the Marauder hulls if not some of their implementations.

I'm going to go back and update my Marauder proposal to include all the great feedback that's occurred in the some 100 pages since I posted it. By no means do I expect any of it to be used by the developers, although I do hope it might lead to a greater consensus as to what we as a community want from the Marauder class.

Maybe this has been asked or covered already. Can you use MJD while in Bastion mode? If no absolutely pointless bait ship.

EWAR immunity outside bastion mode for X seconds after deactivating is worth training and price tag. (overpowered?)

Pirate BS take a week to train they should be weaker in every way to T2 BS but stronger than T1 with an extra two role bonuses.

Other than that T2 BS is the same so wasted skill points.

I have to be honest if I want a pointless immobile gun platform ill fly a dread its better bait.

If the ship could lock on regular Cnyo and jump 7-9ly like black-ops (solo) and have bastion mode happy days. Tactically good PvP and not so cheap also gives them a distinction over pirate BS.

Gee, CCP nerfing the hell out of PvE, who would have thunk it.
You are a bit behind the times.
The devs who have been hired from null sec have been attacking any PvE operations, especially high sec ops, for a long time now.

See in null sec, a player just flits about space using jump bridges.
Check that, the null cartel players who have the JB passwords flit about, avoiding the bulk of these changes.

Those who live in high sec and low sec, or NPC null sec, well, you are screwed. Sucks to be you.
Guess you did not get the memo that the only successful and CCP-endorsed way to play this game is in a null sec cartel.

Been there done that.

That pretty much falls against the entire concept of T2 vs faction/DS/officer on which everything else is based. This seems a really odd time to be bringing it up considering that.