Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so.. tell us what are the different advantages and disadvantages between pirate bs-es and compare them to marauders.

dont give us pretty story about doctrines and whatnot tailoring **** around space and time... write something useful already, do some analyzing

what is that magical bonus of marauder+mjd to under cut cap chain logis?

Even with the current proposed bastion module bonus this is a Golem I could get behind.

What I would like to see though is a way to make local tanking workable when not in bastion as well by providing the old hull rep bonus.

Give it the old 37.5% rep bonus, then Bastion would add 62.5% on top of that. This ensures that even while not in bastion that you have a workable tank (i.e. not needing a boost amp) while reducing bastion repping to levels not so crazy that it can solo tank Incursions. This means you still have enough mids for the TP/s, dual prop, hardeners, etc.

I think it would be a good thing to not be so dependent on the bastion module to provide all the tank, meaning we could see more "variety" in the fits.

a) "HURr DuRR 10 KILOMETER WEBS ON A 145 KM CRUISE MISSILE SHIP, OR A ~35 KM TORP SHIP"

b) You're right- you don't really need a rep bonus for PvE activities. But you might for small scale PvP. CCP wants to bring Marauders into PvP. But these changes will do nothing but IMO permanently bar them from it. :\

which is why i suggested keeping the current marauder bonuses as they are, and tailoring the bastion module to facilitating a different mode of combat to what the marauder's are already capable of doing, rather than just trying to take what the marauders already do and feed them steroids to the point where they become untouchable but with 1400mm howitzers.



as for the logistics chains i'll make this very simple:

two fleets encounter each other, both have logis

one fleet has marauders, marauders have 100km gun range and 3 capacitor warfare modules (per ship)

one fleet has pirate battleships, which have 100km gun range and 1-2 capacitor warfare modules (per ship)

both have MJD

both teams logi will seek to scatter away from the battleships to increase their survival odds, and to make the enemy try to chase them down to waste time (this is normal, ECM ships also do this same thing)

the area a logistics ship can spread out in is ~70km wide ~30 km from the near side of the fleet relative to the logi cruiser

with a MJD both teams can spend one battleship per logi to jump toward and hopefully land on top of wherever they starburst to

once landed, as you do not lose a target lock when you use the MJD the logi cruisers are buried in energy warfare and raw damage.

..the marauders will kill off the logi team before the pirates do...because the extra cap warfare will remove the logi's ability to tank each other faster, because both sides have such large engagement ranges it's then a simple matter to swap fire on to another ship or MJD again to be close to someone else's.

this is what cade and i refer to, both hulls doing the same thing but the unique circumstance of the marauders make it better suited over the raw damage gain of a pirate battleship, remote repair is designed to withstand raw damage so the extra 200 dps average a pirate battle ship has..will not help me until the logis are dead.

are a whole host of other variables that will affect the general performance of this little play but i want to try and keep this as short and simple as i can for you.

Near 40 pages since last dev post can we get a new update please

Espacially on the shield ship web bonus the crux of long and short bonuses?

Would like to hop into the discussion again. Though my old post deleted my point stands that the bastion module is a cool idea but it should keep it role of a pve kill & loot boat. Web an long range bonuses wih 40km tractor make no sense to me. Except that it is versatile
My proposal would we longer tractors and short range buffs on bastion like tracking web range and a bit of like 4% per lvl damage boost

Behave Sir. This is nowhere near as useful as a 15km web bonus on a +100 km pulse Paladin (not to mention a tachyon one!). Keep up the good work CCP!

On this subject last time i see them in combat me and few other logis wore trying to keep them alive(2 of them),they did respond well to reps til some point but incoming dps just brake their weak hit points.they went down fast after that hell i even think they wore primary even before bhaalgorn was and i am fairly certain bhaal survived longer.

if ppl continue to demand local booster back(that was utterly useless in situation above) their usage in PVP will not even be in consideration they will melt due to semi resist they have now and lack of hit points they have now soon to be nerfed even more.

Local tank is good 4 l4's but it will not make ship better at it as pirate ships are clearly better at it atm and t2 resist would open the door to incursion and wh content to be done properly. as well as making them at least somewhat usable in fleet environment


.......would i trade local boost for all of the above i would..anything to move this ship from 2nd class mission runner is achievement imo..

But as i said bastion projection buff is not enough of a gain(or i believe it isn't to be more fair) for ship to suffer mass / speed / agility / drones / hit points loss it just isn't.

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Not to mention immobility it self i fully plan not to use bastion module on my marauders just if CCP don't butcher them as they stand atm.

Also in WHs due to mass limitations, you need to make every ship count for as much as possible.

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Also can we get some sorta nod from the devs at least saying they are still here? It's been quite some time since a post or update or anything from them for that matter.

Yeah but they are getting around to T3s so once it finally rolls around they might be something comparable, they don't need to be amazing at PvP but at least somewhere around competent to good so long as they are amazing at sites.

What I would actually like to see is several bastion modules that are situationally optimal making them 'effective' T3 Battleships but I don't really see that happening.

And it's been 34 pages (coming on a week soon) since the last dev post, pretty much everything to be said about the proposed changes has been said

=/