Skill Discussions

I currently have 110k SP.

I'm not an alt.

I find myself being perfectly capable of doing what I can do at this stage of the game.

I have goals I wish to reach but for me to start worrying about them now seems a waste of time, I have my hands full doing the things I do now - I feel that at this pace my SP will have me ready for things I am not ready for when my 'SP goal' has numerically has been reached.

In short, I disagree with the op.

Quit at "instantiated PvP."

SP is just fine. It literally takes a few hours to fit a frigate with guns, a web/scram and go PvPing. You can get a cruiser with medium guns in what 24h-48h? I think people complaining about this are under the impression it's the skill point difference costing them fights. .

If you are talking about PvE content, mission difficulty and standing scales well with SP gain. "Warp to me" will run incursions with new pilots, ... There are options and ways to deal with the SP system and EVE has a bit of everything if you care to go look for it.

Although if you are a brand new player and all this waiting is too much for you, go check out the character Bazaar.

Just my 2 isk

a little back story, i have just returned to eve after a 5 month hiatus, and was just sitting at work figuring out my next plan of action ( just as a side not in my opinion 25-50% of even is played offline planning researching ect) now i came across this post and read every comment on every page and was left with a single point.

You played for a few days and directly went to the shops bought yourself a char and plodded along on your way to your so called "greatness"

Personally and let me make it clear this is my opinion. YOU MISSED OUT ON ALL THE GREATNESS. The greatness you talk about comes from having nothing, derives from paying your dues, beating your goals, learning the ropes, building it all up the hard way. The greatness you talk about is the journey from nothing to YOUR "something". I Came into this game with no idea what it was about, what it had to offer and 2 years later i spend a few hours everyday offline planning my next move. You talk about this game as if you were a new player struggling to find direction, or purpose - you fight for a solution to a "SP Wall" that exists only in your head. This whole game is one big wall...the moment you start playing you either decide to help build the wall, smash through the wall, or explore the wall. How you do it well that is the "GREATNESS" you talk about.

My point is, you have jumped the Que, and now fight for a cause that you yourself decided to give up on and push to the side. I once read that to learn every skill to max it would take roughly 24 Years, this almost sounds daunting and discouraging, however think of it this way... We as people are born with nothing 0sp and yes you can be born into "greatness" or you can be born with nothing...either way there is stuff to be learnt, things to face, challenges to be met, and all these things whatever they be is the SP we so preciously chase after. Having said that by skipping all the learning, all the fails, all the ganks, all the scams as almost every noob and even some veterans face you miss out on all the fundamentals of this game that actually do matter... timing, patience, planning, organization, relationships, morals. These may seem silly to you however play a large part a lot higher up in the food chain of "greatness".

Now by many players standards i am a little fish in a big ocean, with no specific role/route/career/skill set/ or even profession however i couldn't care less, each pays for his own reasons, one day i wanna light up and watch rocks get hammered by lazors and make a bit of ISK the next i might want to hop in a frig and blow someone up, the next day i might want to sit in 4-4 do a bit of trading make a few stacks of ISK. Now your right, you may not be the Bill gates or the Micheal Jordan or even steve Irwin of eve, you may just own a trash can lid and a broomstick but that does not mean you are in anyway useless or pointless, this is a assumption made up on your own judgement. its been predefined by your mentality coming into the game. What you fail to realize is that it all adds up, its those simple things, those small fights, that extra 1 mil here 2 mil there, the extra help a random guy with a mission that will help you excel and find the "greatness"

Its truly ignorant to think that you could enter a game have everything handed to you and still have a reason to play, ask yourself honestly ... if you were given everything would you still wanna stick around? half of me understands the frustrations you obviously have for a steep learning curve and somewhat staggered game progression however the other half of me says, you don't wanna work for it, you don't want to put in the weeks/months/yrs, or the real money, or the game play, or the wins and the losses... then in my eyes you don't deserve the "greatness" . I came here with one goal. "Have fun" i wouldn't waste my money if i wasn't having fun - but reality is fun for everyone is different to tell you the truth i love the fact it will take 24 yrs to learn it all, i love the fact that in 2 yrs i might actually get to see a titan on my screen, i love the fact that 5bil in my wallet is not far off, i love the fact that my skill plan is loaded up with a yrs worth of skills, i love the fact that in order to get anywhere in this game YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

well most probably wont read this, i couldn't really care less however i will leave you with this OP - I've spent almost 2 yrs mostly solo playing, not because i cant match up but because i choose to challenge myself and the biggest thing I've learnt is.. ANYTHING can happen; skills change, ships are buffed or nerfed, people scam, some fights u win some you loose but in EVE everything matters. BUT until you stop cutting corners, hoping for a easier ride up ladder you will never learn how to beat your opponent with NOTHING .

oh p.s before you say "Assassination" again ...

- who can you talk to > CMS
- how can you see the greatness > make the greatness happen yourself...be the greatness (as cheesy as it sounds)

We already have it. It's called the test server.

In regards to PvP...

SPs only really matters for solo/small group combat. You can fight in fleets with a Celestis, Blackbird, Griffin, or Maulus quite effectively within your first month. You can then start adding in DPS boats into fleets with meta4 guns and you will only be at most 50% of a top-of-the-line T2 fit ship of the same type.

In solo/small group combat however... every little SP you have counts. Not having one level 5 skill, 5% more shields, for example is not bad. You can still pull off a win with good flying and tactics. However, you start adding up all the lvl 5 skills you don't have, Weapon Spec 5, Gunnery Support Skills 5, Navigation 5, Tanking 5.... and soon you have 10% less tank than your opponent and 25% less DPS. You'll lose every single fight that you don't completely hard counter your rival. (TD Condor vs AB Merlin)

To even have a remote chance at winning frigate fights, you need at least 2 months of SP under your belt. Need another 2 more months to start winning fights against bad fits/bad players. Only now, 6 months since I started do I have confidence to take (almost) any t1 frigate/dessie with my frigate or dessie. And I still have only a few lvl 5 support skills (and not very many lvl 4 skills for that matter)



It would make the game a LOT more accessible if people started off with just some core skills trained up. More than they are now. Maybe just a months worth of SP for new players. Have a couple pre-set combinations for new players that they can pick for their SP. Combat SP puts it into Engineering V/Electronics V and one of the guns/rockets V for their race. Mining would put a month of SP into mining skills, and so on.

It would give very little headway into the world of Eve with years and years of SP, but it would help new players get into the game a lot more easier.

...except that small gang pvp remains an option that is perfectly available to a bunch of 3 month old toons.

I have only played since Feb. My Wife started much later. But we both were able to do things right from the get go. I was slow to get into PvP mostly because of RL. Now Sometimes my wife and I rat in low and null sec. We have fun. We die a lot. We don't sweat it.

Recently i have been getting into bigger fleets. The single biggest factor so far in fleets is not skill book skills, but "real" how to fly/shoot/runaway type skills. You can't expect to be as good as someone who PvPs for the last 3 years in a week.

There are some things that when you first start are frustrating. For me it was finding stuff to fit my ship with. Or ammo. 10 jumps for ammo close to some of the rookie uni that i was at. That was time i didn't really like to spend. My wife was similar. But once you learn about trade hubs, that sorts itself out a bit.

As for the only 1 out of 4 stay past a trial account? Well i think you will find that is true for most MMO's. And eve is a bit different from the others. In a good way too.

Same goes for all5 skills, so 'even odds' in this comparisson is an illusion. If your target is an older toon, likely to have 5's where you have 4's or 3's, then dont try to outperform him in a similar fit ... adapt to his weakness.

Even odds does not mean: match my fitting and playstyle.

...so what you're saying is that people can perform useful roles with low SP while they train up for other roles?