Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That would be a interesting Solution, but then we should ditch Tier3 BS as whole.

8 Tech1 BS
12 Tech2 BS
8 Navy BS
5 Pirate BS

I will probably use the CNR over the Golem, because the CNR does every important role better than the Golem (atleast for now). The CNR has better damage (3 sentries + room for a DDA), similar application (projection isn't an issue to begin with), higher speed and more buffer (yeah, buffer is important to me as anti-gank protection).

Yeah, I could reduce the tank, but for what? Even more TP's to juggle?


With the CNR, E-War isn't an issue either. It has enough base sensor strength to counter even the most nastiest Guristas-Assault type missions (last one I did got 1 Jamcycle in total). Other forms of E-War aren't a problem either.

Torps aren't really a choice for lv 4's either, as their range is simply to short (even with bastion). Why should I use torps over Fury CM's for a marginal short-ranged dmg increase, but significant dmg loss for higher ranges?

Ofcourse, this might change if we get new missile-modules for mid-slots, but yeah - those aren't clear yet. Ofcourse Rise announced something, but I doubt it's going to be dmg application-mods. I would rather expect pure projection-mods, and having to fit those to make the bastion viable while the CNR can do everything at once (while still having very competitive dmg even in a CM-CNR <-> Torp-Golem comparision thanks to the sentries!) doesn't make the Golem any more viable.

Ofcourse it could be more valid if there are some additional changes, but it's kinda hard to judge the whole idea without the whole picture.

Not going to dig through 74 pages to find if it was mentioned already.

I dont see why should I prefer Marauder over Carrier for nullsec ratting. Carriers have better tank, more DPS, better projection, dont have to deploy and cost only a tad more. So what's the point?

No one force you to switch, but one advantage would be the ability to Jump into Highsec. ;-)

So why are you reducing the ships capacity to use drones?

If you are going to limit to bandwidth to dictate what size drones can be used, there is no need to reduce the drone bay. It is a curious decision when you look at the Kronos... It can use 5 medium drones but can also only carry 5 med drones. Once is loses one is has no ability to replace it withouts restocking at a station.

The Kronos should either have a bay big enought for 10 med drones or the bandwidth should be reduced to 25... Personally, I'd prefer the former.

1200 IIs easily with plenty of grid to spare (10890/16125 grid used). 1400 IIs would fit (12870/16125) but the rest of the grid would be tight and I'd see fitting mods probably necessary for the rest of the fit.

I'm much more amused by the fact that you can cram in a rack of 800 IIs and three heavy neut/nos with grid to spare though.

e;fb - see above



please continue to rat in a carrier, it's the best ratting ship ever

(and you'll certainly be able to fight off the odd lone stealth bomber or recon, so don't worry, you're in a capital)

running locator agents now, deploying BLOBS

As what comes to the rebalancing itself, I'd very much prefer a mid/low instead of another utility high (new NOSes don't help marauders much/at all and heavy neuts aren't such a great idea with active tank), they really should have a bit more drone capability, and I'd also like to see their mineral requirements toned down a bit to put them clearly under pirate BS prices.

Alternatively, give them one more effective turret and keep slots as they are.

And while you're at it, **** on-grid probing, multiple ASBs and fix the damn EWAR drones.

Hello,

First of all: Eve Online is a sandbox game where pvp plays a big part. There were and there are pvp and non pvp ships in this game, like freighters, mining barges, industrials, salvaging ships, capital industrial ships...

Every single ship has its own role: A mining barge is used to collect ore from roids, an industrial or an capital industrial (Orca) is ussed to haul this ore and freighters will transport lots of this stuff to a refining station or trading hub. All those ships have there own role and this is no pvp role.
Now i come to the point for what marauders were designed originally. They were ment to be pve gods for running level 4 missions. After all the changes to pirate and faction bs hulls they also need some love of course but why changing the role?
Eve has ships which arent pvp ships, the marauders are carebaer ships for people who like running missions and don't want to pvp. This game is a sandbox where everyone can do what HE wants to do which makes this game so great so let there be niche ships in this game.

There is also an unused t1 bs hull which could be used for a third T2 bs with a pvp role. From my point of view its better to design the marauders as pve ships and not as 50% pvp and 50% pve ship. The MJD bonus does not work well with the "marauding" role where the capsuler is using the tractorbeams on wrecks to get every valuable stuff from the enemy. If you jump 100km how should you use tractorbeams on large wrecks? Well you could salvage the time in bastion mode but the fact those ships become much more slow boats will **** all players up which are doing missions where gates are not directly at the beacon or are 100km away.
Some missions have gates around 40km away from warp in point which makes the MJD very unusefull.
Also high dps ships with up to 70km range with short range ammo which can jump every ~60 seconds 100km may be a bit over in pvp.

So my suggestion is: let marauders be the carebaership with a 100% role for solo missions, plexes or ratting and create a 100% pvp T2 hull with the third unused t1 bs hull for all other players who are pvp players. Imho this would be a win for carebaers and pvp players cause everyone gets his own cookie.

Marauders:
Role Bonus: 100% bonus to main weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 100% bonus to Afterburner speed (instead of 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay )


Bastion Module [new]:

• Provides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
• Increases shield and armor repair amount by 50% (decreased from 100%)
• Extends all large turret falloff and optimal by 15% (decreased from 25%)
• Increases all large missile max velocity and reduces explosion radius by 15% (decreased velocity from 25%, added explosion radius bonus)
• Has a cycle time of 60 seconds.
• When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
• When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is reduced by 85%, mass is increased by a factor of 5, cannot warp. Also receives a weapons timer that prevents station docking or gate jumping. Weapon time should not require the user to drop weapon safeties in high-sec (being investigated)
• Only one may be fitted per Marauder, cannot be deactivated before cycle ends

Kronos

• 7,5% bonus to large Hybrid Turret Falloff per level (-2,5%)

=> 57 km opt+falloff with 1 TC and Null


- Gives resistances equal to 1 T2 Invul field and a bit more then a true sanshas ENAM => you can fit less tank and activate the module when high ammounts of damage are incomming and use the free slot for utility. DCU + Bastion module will give the ship 90% hull resistance, maybe there should be a stacking penaltie on hull resistances (because 90% is imho a bit over) but not on armor and shields.
- 100% with local tank buff are also a bit over from my point of view. Change it to 50% bonus to shield and armor repair amount and nerf cap regeneration a bit less.
- reduce rangebonus from 25% to 15% and also look at falloff bonus of the kronos. Even with a 15% bonus you have ~65km blaster optimal+falloff. Missile velocity also changed to 15%.
- There should be a small bonus to damage also cause the CNR got another launcher slot which makes the torp damage almost equal to the marauder which had 8 effective launcher slots already.
How about giving the module a +15% explosion radius bonus too, because guns gain a passive damage boost if their falloff gets increased which isn't equal to the falloff bonus in damage. An explosion radius bonus would also increase the missile damage but only against smaller targets.
- Cycle time and EW immunity like in the original module
- Reduced ship velocity by 85% and increased mass factor by 4-5 while in bastion mode, cannit warp etc. With this new concept the ships still have a huge range, but to compensate the cutted range they are allowed to move but with extreme reduced speed cause the Bastion mode "uses" almost all energy the ship uses for its engine. This will result in 20-24 m/s speed while in bastion mode and 90-100 m/s with afterburner (meta4) activated in bastion mode. With republic fleet afterburner and deactivated bastion module they can burn with 610 to 736 m/s to a point and go into bastion mode. This concept is imo more flexible then the flat 100 km MJD range.

Please keep in mind this is just a suggestion and attributes can be changed again. Think about giving the marauders the 100% pve role and create a new pvp-role T2 battleship with the unused t1 battleship hull later.
Both carebaers and pvp players would get a cookie this way and we may see other nice T2 hulls.

C4 sites, get ready.

You gon' get Vargurified.