Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yet another pirate troll hoping to see some noob trying to use this for anything other then PvE

With no damage bonus applied during bastion mode. This module and redesign of the ship will result in failure. If your aim was to get these ships in to pvp, well they wont. Noone will fly a over tanked stationary low dps ship in pvp. Not for the isk involved or the time needed to train for them. In pve, Incursion running yes most likely will be used. However the Tech 3 cruisers will still reign supreme for numerous reasons. The first is the cost, half a bill or less for a t3 that has more flexibility in build. The cost of a Marauder is closer to a Billion. Secound the time needed for training is shorter for the t3. I know folks are pointing at dps, and yes T3s can put out battleship lvl dps if fit for it. The T3 still has a simular tank due to its sig rad plus speed. Lets not mention the fact they can pack a heft tank themselves. So CCP, if you dont wish to have wasted your time developing and redesigning. I suggest you add a damage bonus to this module. If you dont do it on release youll have to come back to it later and do it.

Pretty much anything above a capsule will either destroy or just disengage a HAC once odyssey 1.1 has hit (the latter option is even viable for pods), except battleships or above.

Other than that, Marauders will just end up being PVE ships as before, sometimes used with pirate implants, boosters and OGBs as gimmicks.

Or more likely as 10 million EHP cyno bait trollships.

Did coming up with those changes involve the consumption of large quantities of alcohol?

Out of deployed mode they will be as useless as ever in PvP due to their sensor strength not being fixed, a flight of EC-300 will likely be all it takes to take one out of the fight. (and nerfed drone bay removes a line of defense against that).

In deployed mode, neuts and moderate dps (sub 5k) will make short work of them, because even a 150% boosted tank won't be enough at all vs any gang worth fighting...

The only good role I see for them is being deployed against poorly defended POS in highsec... What an awesome niche to be in...

Seriously, what about stopping inventing ******** roles, just unnerf their sensor strength and sig radius and progress from there?

Serious suggestion here.

The Marauders are all based on the Attack hulls. So the logical specialization of Marauders, especially given their NAME, their FLAVOUR TEXT and their general feel?

-Keep this special Marauder module. However: It should do the following:

• 30% increase to shield, hull and structure resistances
• 50-75% reduction to active tanking module capacitor use
• 150-200% reduction to 100MN MWD capacitor use (Seriously- they're SO CAP HUNGRY that they're NEARLY USELESS, when almost every other subcapital T2 ship is CAP STABLE with the MWD running- WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?)
• 10% reduction in signature radius (Or more, or less- this is not a final number.)
• When this module is activated, the ship's agility INCREASES. Speed unchanged.
• Possible penalty to the range of weapons but with a little better damage application.

And then, take a look at the Marauders as follows. They are, as stated earlier, based on the Attack hulls. So, why not make them slightly faster by default (Very slightly, like maybe 1% or 2%), but a little less agile, so that once this module is active, they're more agile? Mass on par with or lighter than the current Attack BS hulls. Other alterations include increasing their sensor strength to 22-23 depending on hull. I don't really see the purpose of the tractor beam bonuses and etc. because the Noctis is a thing. Those could be replaced with something else, on a ship per ship basis.

"But what about the Machariel? Won't these Marauders that actually maraud interfere with it's role?"

Not really. The Marauders require this module to be active in order to run their MWD for significant periods of time (Suggestion: give the Machariel a role bonus that massively decreases 100MN MWD use). The Marauders are specialized into utilizing this module to become a very fast (for a battleship), high damage and resilient platform for when you are in a small, mobile gang, and actually want serious firepower that can keep up with you. Their main targets should be battlecruisers and battleships, but still have effectiveness against cruisers- frigates not so much. That's a role that doesn't really exist right now to my knowledge, and would be far better at harassment than... These changes. And again, the Marauders should focus on active tanking so as to not let them completely overtake everything in large gang fights.

Please hear us out here- this is not the right direction for Marauders. In fact I would be absolutely thrilled to see this intended role (T2 battleship that uses the Bastion Module and MJDs and etc. to basically become the stepping stone from subcaps to dreadnoughts) based on the tier 3 hulls. That'd fit SO much better IMO. I'm sure loads of other people in this thread would agree. So again, this idea isn't bad, it just doesn't 'fit'. This also IMO would decouple them from PvE somewhat.

I think it would be a good idea to give marauders a T2 MJD (kinda like cov ops have a cov ops cloak) it would have slightly longer jump range with the same spool up etc, but the main advantage would be the ability to dictate how far you want to jump.

A standard MJD only really has the advantage of letting you GTFO (unless scrammed). for the kronos, using blasters, this isnt that usefull.... (as opposed to a sniper ship) but with the T2 MJD it would be a whole different story.

PVE : you would align to the heart of the rat fleet, jump in and drop into bastion, pound on the rats until your mjd has cooled down, then jump to the next best location for you blasters.

PVP : similar concept, and would play into the idea of it being a harrassing ship.

combined with a damage/ROF bonus, say 50% dps increase (i.e a 50% damage or a 35% rof bonus/some cobination of the two) the new marauders would be able to dictate range and lay down a lot of damage for a short period of time until the enemy fleet reacted to the rapid change in positioning.

just my thoughts on making CCPs raging desire to see MJDs used actually give us something interesting to play with.

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In deployed mode (we call it bastion), their hulls transform (they will have fancy visible animations like the Rorqual does when deploying) and they become fixed weapon placement with a bonus to resistances, tanking, damage projection and receiving EW immunity. However, like Dreadnoughts, they cannot be remote assisted or even move when that happens. They also cannot use Micro Jump Drives in that mode.

While you are at it why don't you make all the dreads and carriers transform when their triage and siege modules are enabled.

interesting ideas but one problem regarding the golem, the range bonus is useless for cruise fits a dps or dps application bonus would be better. Torps them selves just need a slight range boost but thats another post.

this is going to make them scary in null pve not sure id want to be stuck in bastion when I see probes on scan then again with that tank you could hold off a small gang

The tractor beam buff goes under "might as well" because it gives the option to use htem, otherwise there would be no point whatsoever.