Skill Discussions

I just finished reading this roller coaster ride of a thread start to finish. Firstly, I deserve a medal for extreme perseverance. Secondly, I suggest this thread be stickied so every person thinking about the "SP wall" issue can se this thread and realize that there is quite literally nothing left to say on the matter.

Thirdly, I think that, when you think about it, the best ship you can find in this game requires no SP at all and it's called friendship. I joined the game in late beta and bought it straight after launch. I've played solo for the most part or with a few RL friends whenever I trick someone into joining except my first year when i was in a couple of large corporations. And even though isk is easier to come by and alot of options are open that weren't back then, I find myself missing those times when I always had someone online to chat with. Not having the best ship and getting suboptimal SP/hr just doesn't seem like a big deal when you are having fun with other people.

If there is a problem, I think it is with the perception that the game won't be fun until you can *insert whatever activity*. I do think that the solution lies in further development of the NPE but not in changing the SP system. CCP should be given credit for how far they have come and I do not suspect they are done with it yet. I think that the whole certification system needs an overhaul for if a new player uses them to guide training he/she ends up doing alot of level V's that are in no way needed and bolster training times significantly.

Lastly, I also think that if we as a community are inviting and thoughtful when it comes to new players, ready to give advice when asked, the newcomers will see how delightful our sandbox is.

Not sure. Way before my time. Early early days (maybe beta?). Only know what I've read.

How about never? Jeez.

Tech 3 battlecruisers.
Tech 3 battleships.
Tech 3 destroyers.
Tech 3 frigates.

Tech 2 capital weapons for all races and even releasing some extra capital modules to allow more variability in setups.


Advancing the game storyline such as finally opening up the eve gate and see the origins of everyone that currently lives in the eve universe, and if they still exist or are now friendly or hostile and if their technology vastly outguns anything in eve since they do have a 20 000 year lead afterall, including even jovian technology and forces all 4 races as well as the jove, to finally work together and set aside their differences if they want to survive should humans now be hostile....


Things that have no bearing on how much SP the player has as far as the latter example is concerned, but would affect everyone and advance the game to a huge degree.....

The SP wall is not that intense. You only need to train a handful of specific skills to lvl 5 in order to be competative in any aspect of this game. It is sufficient to just be lvl 3 or 4 in a skill that boosts your activity in w/e way you desire.

Your point about the design of the game turning away new players is correct, in my opinion, because new players are just not aware of their capabilities. However, if they find a good corp, I think that a lot of players could be retained.

Basically, I agree that there is an issue with player retention, but not the SP wall as it's direct cause. I think it's just that the game can be painfully dull without friends to guide you and spend time with.

Also, I am saying this as a brand new player myself. Without my corp, I would have probably considered EVE to be a waste of my time and money.

Long post, I must give you that.



I don't quite agree with you. EVE is such a big game, that if you didn't take this time training the skills, you would simply not get to know the entire game.

I don't think that it is true that you can't do anything special before 1.5 years of training. It takes just a few days to prepare yourself for market training. A week or two to get decent frigate skills for PvP and while mastering the PvP of a frigate you can train for cruisers.

After just 2 months of gaming EVE I think you rush it a bit saying that newbies don't stand a chance. I think this is completely opposite. Good thing about this game compared to many other MMO's is that new players actually can do a difference even tho they haven't played for years.

As a new player id like to comment on this thread, in my opinion in order to have fun and "succeed" in this game, you should do plenty of reading before taking a certain direction in the game, and join a corp thats active and newb friendly.

I am 2 weeks into this game now, and i have 48 days of training left to fly a fully T2 fit battle cruiser and Partial T2 mining barge and T2 mining drones. Once im there, i can set new goals for myself. In my opinion thats not that much time at all. As long as you know what to aim for you can fly it fairly fast, but if you expect to do everything possible within the game in a few months well.. youll be dissapointed.

Comparing EVE to WoW is like comparing apples to polar bears. Yes, they are both organic, but that's about as far as it goes. I wish more folks understood this when they began the game, it would help them alot in the long run. One cannot, must not think of EVE as "SpaceWoW", unless you really really enjoy pain and disappointment. EVE is harsh. EVE is challenging. EVE is vast. EVE is full of opportunities for fun and profit, excitement and loss. It is not an easy game, there's a pic that's been floating around on the internet for years graphing the learning curves of various MMO's that's hilarious and accurate.

That being said, I don't want to discourage any new players... just keep in mind that you are dealing with something entirely different. The "SP Wall" is an illusion. The reason most new players perceive it as so is because they are focusing too much on what is on the horizon rather than what's right in front of them. It's understandable, those big badass ships are very shiny and well... cool. I myself have issues with being distracted by shiny objects from time to time. My advice is to keep your options open as a newer player, work on the skills that you need like your cores, and learn to enjoy what is within your reach. Make short term goals, formulate a plan, dabble to find out what you enjoy, then follow through.

Mostly, don't get discouraged. Make some friends and see how much fun you can have NOW rather than worrying about how long it's going to take to get into that big shiny thing. Patience pays off in EVE, it really does.
Fly safe.

WoW needs to get rid of levels.

I want monkeys in cowboy suits!

Just an observation......

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10/10 for the troll.