Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fair enough, you wernt completely off topic and we have to wait for the debs to respond before we can flame them more...
:p
Carry on

Ok what up with the split weapon types now, it goes against some of the makers of the ships.
Like with the Astarte Duvolle Labs(see below) makes the blue prints and they favors blasters its not Roden Shipyards that use missiles.
I am just asked why the change all of a sudden.


Developer: Duvolle Labs

Duvolle Labs manufactures sturdy ships with a good mix of offensive and defensive capabilities. Since the company is one of New Eden's foremost manufacturers of particle blasters, its ships tend to favor turrets and thus have somewhat higher power output than normal.

Developer: Roden Shipyards

Unlike most Gallente ship manufacturers, Roden Shipyards tend to favor missiles over drones and their ships generally possess stronger armor. Their electronics capacity, however, tends to be weaker than ships from their competitors.

This is a real head-scratcher. Isn't fleet warfare the entire point of command ships? Isn't the goal of rebalancing to make most (if not all) ships useful in their intended role?

Why would you be okay with only one ship in an entire class being popular for that role?

Meh, if my precious nighthawk changes to look like a bloody drake that's the tipping point. CCP really lacks in the art department and if they change one of the nicest looking ships into one of the most boring, well I guess it would be predictable. If you change them at all change them to something unique.

Personally I would give the vulture or the nighthawk a 10% shield bonus per level then give one of the minmatar and one of the gallente command ships a resistance bonus per level. Then you end up with one super tanky/ehp command ship for armor and one for shield, you have your choice of 4 resist bonus only command ships (2 armor 2 shield) for medium to small fights and 2 with rep bonus only for small gangs.

But at the very least shield needs a blob ship like the absolution is for armor.

Fleetwarfare is the thing for damnation/vulture. Claymore appears to be well usable as an active tanked nano-cs (two skirmish links and you still got a 700dps tank sustained for a long time without issue - talking of 3-4 man gangs)

Eos will be an excellent frontline-ship for wormhole people, as fights happen directly on wormholes and smartbombs can't (in most cases) even be activated around your heavy drones. Still got 170k EHP, which is terrible compared to the 270k+ of a damnation, but equalized by having some 700 formidable dps.

Astarte/Sleipnir/Abso seem to - even though they can link - be rather premier versatile vessels, all of them having grid/cpu/cap to run dual-med-neuts along with secondhighest or highest tier SR weapons, while also feauturing a 100k+ EHP buffer.

The Nighthawk seems to be slightly less tanky compared to a vulture, however: nighthawk dps on paper seem extremely strong, and at least I'm assuming they'll be extremely strong apllied to any vessel I normally run into (Cruisers upwards) As a bonus, nighthawk can run duallinks


Soooo.... you can use every single ship as a linkship to bring on grid, but their fields of expertise vary extremely. The bigger the fight becomes, the more damnation. The smaller it is, the more it feautures the claymore in it's runaway-style or the eos for it's insane dps next to 3 links.

Just waiting for the first triplerep-Eos to show the world what a myrmidon always wanted to be.

From what I've trying to fit up, you can run triplerep and go with scram only (which, as you stated indirectly) won't let you hold sufficient tackle on one target it may be, however the tracking bonus to heavies might at least solve parts of that question. Eos got quite the beefy capacitor, so unless neuted, you can reliably run the two MAR IIs constantly under occasional cycling of your cap booster.

The way more conservative solution (imo) is the 3link eos with a 1600 plate and 2 med reppers, 1 cap booster. For engaging a small gang, just gives you the right ratio of existing buffer and prolongued life :) Or ~130k EHP and 1.2k/s, linking itself. Niche!

Also quite nice is the 2 link-thingy with 4 ions, and no active tank whatsoever, leaving you at just short over 1000dps using ogres/antimatter with still unchanged buffer. No matter how you look at it, the eos is just gorgeuos.

I'm not going to argue that it's "god awful" but the currently proposed eos really serves no point when compared to the astarte.

The two ships are even more similar than the myrmidon and brutix.

Imo, the eos needs to get it's missing slot back in the form of a 5th mid. The "smallish" drone bay, and lack of super dmg bonuses as seen on other commands does not justify the loss of a slot as seen on most other drone ships.

Right so the EOS can have 700dps and 170ehp and be an "excellent frontline-ship" but a theoretical 7/7/3 Nighthawk with 650 dps and 150 EHP is "godmode".
Your full of bias.

Damnation doesn't even get 500 paper dps with HAM's and three BCSII's (130k EHP in three slot tank .. hahaha) so quit your complaining!!

Damnation ought to be the base line for the old fleets and Sleipnir the baseline for old fields, thusly:

Damnation, Eos, Vulture, Claymore: Tank first, damage second. Resists/Raw EHP, means that Claymore/Eos will have to give up their repair bonuses .. they should all be capable of 225k+ EHP if they choose to forego damage. When using triple damage mods they should be on par with the other four using one (15-20% difference)
* Considering the link type bonuses I'd suggest having one of each (EHP/Resist) available for both camps.

Absolution, Astarte, Nighthawk, Sleipnir: Damage/Application first, Tank second.
Bonuses to be damage, tracking, range etc. with paper dps somewhere around 8-900 (1k for blasters) if skimping on tank and nimbler/smaller than their fat cousins. If tanked out they should be able equal the other four in relative EHP over a period of one full Ancillary repairers worth, pure buffering should fall short by 25% or more.
Means that Absolution should have 15-20% more damage and/or application, NH about half that (has range advantage), Astarte to lose some damage and Sleipnir 7.5%Rof/7.5%Dmg (one turret more than current proposal = +10%dps) and tanks adjusted as needed.
* Sorry Gallente lovers (includes Dev in charge), but believe it or not: Having 1k+ dps while being able to tank that amount is not good for the game unless same performance is made available to all .. ie. if it is only the one it is broken/OP.

Provides both link camps (Info and Skirmish) comparative options; face-melt close range hull and a longer range/utility blob mobile without making either utterly useless when outside its comfort zone (ie. small gang stuff).

PS: Sorting the Spectrum Breaker (functional IDFF) and giving all CCs a hefty bonus to them would be an ideal role bonus which negates the need to nerf alpha into the ground once links come on grid.