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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2801 - 2013-06-16 23:39:37 UTC
I just wanted to snipe in a 141 page thread

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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#2802 - 2013-06-17 10:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
CCP Gargant wrote:
What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard.


And now we feel free to once again follow through with our plan for new cups, new t-shirts, a pair of great new free to play games and their foreseeable in-game shops. Not to mention completely ignore even our own CCP Keynote from last year - I'd finish that thought but my ADD is acting up.

Next on the Agenda for Eve Online:
The 10th year of ship rebalancing and formation flying - but no promises.

It has also been reported that Trebor thinks this year "Is the best CSM yet" (for the 3rd year in a row, but it's early days).
Also some trivia - the 3rd year in a row that this thread has been created among many others with zero progress.

Waiting for the CSM and CCP to do anything with Eve is like watching 2 snails with mental illness ****.

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Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2803 - 2013-06-27 15:29:20 UTC
Guys,
you remember that one girl in school?, the one who made all the boys melt into a puddle of goo when she walked in the room, couldn't talk when she was around without sounding like a geek, couldn't even think straight when she was around?

Well, on prom night she was being really friendly and we ended up making out in the back seat of my car until she took her sweater off and all of the stuffing fell out of her bra...

I got out of the car and left...................................................................................


Well, CCP, That's kind of how I viewed the promise that something would be done and how I felt when I saw what was really done which was a whole lot less than what was expected....


I do hope that the language barrier doesn't make the point in the analogy end up being lost on the CCP folks...

o/
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Infinite Force
#2804 - 2013-06-28 19:05:30 UTC
141 pages.

It would be nice to have a weekly update so that the player base is being kept in the loop as to where things are at, what current plans & thoughts are, etc.....

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William Pareka
Provi Rapid Response
#2805 - 2013-07-03 07:17:24 UTC
long overdue POS lovin bump.
Photon Ceray
Palmyra Universal Enterprise
#2806 - 2013-07-21 12:23:00 UTC
Dear CCP,

Lets examine the facts:
- 141 pages of this thread alone
- thousands of pages of the same request in previous threads
- players repeatedly ask for this EVERY YEAR
- CSM raise this issue every time

If you still think this is a "small number of players" then - no offence but - you're either ********, blind or delusional.

Yes it will probably require a whole expansion, because it freaking needs a whole expansion!

Make it an expansion with POS, Industry, and player home system, they'll all be based on the same core and it'll be the BEST expansion since apocrypha!

There is no feature or idea that will add more game value than this
Photon Ceray
Palmyra Universal Enterprise
#2807 - 2013-07-21 12:47:22 UTC
Dasquirrel715 wrote:
As someone who has watched a dozen people burn out over the last couple years because of the POS system, and as someone who uses them for reactions, I support a POS revamp. You may not gain subscriptions but you won't lose as many.


If they implement a player home system along with modular POS then they WILL get new subscriptions and a ton of older player who quit the game due to POS burnout and lack of personalization will return. I estimate no less than 10000-25,000 players at minimum!
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2808 - 2013-07-22 16:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
We demand POS revamp! We are not small numbers! Acknowledge the will of the people.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
Lady Thalrax
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2809 - 2013-07-31 04:31:35 UTC
i would appreciate POS update please.
Photon Ceray
Palmyra Universal Enterprise
#2810 - 2013-08-01 22:36:27 UTC
Small portion of the community?

Dear CCP, this is how you count the size of this community:

Count all the POSs in New Eden, EVERY single one of them is SCREAMING for overhauling!

Players have been asking for this for YEARS, it's probably the most demanded feature in the history of eve!

Years and you can't deliver 1 feature, what does that say about your capability as a company?
Aodh MacDonald
Lone Ferret Enterprises
#2811 - 2013-08-12 23:51:16 UTC
Another update and what do we hear from CCP on POS's?****crickets****
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2812 - 2013-08-12 23:58:09 UTC
Aodh MacDonald wrote:
Another update and what do we hear from CCP on POS's?****crickets****




Once again, I'm glad to see CCP listening to their customers and responding in a timely manner.


Makes me wonder when they'll dump this thread into the cloud for it to disappear.



Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2813 - 2013-08-13 05:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Aodh MacDonald wrote:
Another update and what do we hear from CCP on POS's?****crickets****


Agreed this has not been so well done by us.

OK here is what we can tell you:

1) Every single CSM member is individually keen to see POS improved, because even apart from the existance of this thread, we've all had personal experience of them.

2) We have not ignored the subject.

3) We have formally raised the issue with CCP at a high level.

4) As you know, anything that CCP say to us via CSM channels is by default NDA unless they specifically exempt it. This applies whether the news is good or bad (and "good" or "bad" can mean different things to different people; a detail might make some happy may not make others happy). So far CCP have not released from NDA anything POS-related they have communicated to us.

5) As you have already observed CCP haven't said anything bad enough to make any of us break the NDA or quit the CSM.

6) Yes I realise that I've basically told you a whole lot of nothing. Although at least you now know that we have raised the topic I guess.

7) POS are horrible.

8) That's a bad thing because they should be the keystone of the average EVE player's game experience and they're a sandbox tool of incredible powerful potential.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2814 - 2013-08-13 11:34:46 UTC
*sigh*. ..............
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2815 - 2013-08-13 12:14:04 UTC
Has... has anyone told you that pout is quite sexy?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#2816 - 2013-08-14 14:51:05 UTC
Going to swift kick this in the nuts cause this effects every community in eve.

Yaay!!!!
Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2817 - 2013-08-16 04:23:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Aodh MacDonald wrote:
Another update and what do we hear from CCP on POS's?****crickets****


Agreed this has not been so well done by us.

OK here is what we can tell you:

1) Every single CSM member is individually keen to see POS improved, because even apart from the existance of this thread, we've all had personal experience of them.

2) We have not ignored the subject.

3) We have formally raised the issue with CCP at a high level.

4) As you know, anything that CCP say to us via CSM channels is by default NDA unless they specifically exempt it. This applies whether the news is good or bad (and "good" or "bad" can mean different things to different people; a detail might make some happy may not make others happy). So far CCP have not released from NDA anything POS-related they have communicated to us.

5) As you have already observed CCP haven't said anything bad enough to make any of us break the NDA or quit the CSM.

6) Yes I realise that I've basically told you a whole lot of nothing. Although at least you now know that we have raised the topic I guess.

7) POS are horrible.

8) That's a bad thing because they should be the keystone of the average EVE player's game experience and they're a sandbox tool of incredible powerful potential.


Thank you Mal for the update.
CCP Seagull said that POS's won't be fixed in one Release or Expansion.
It will have to be fixed in sections.
This threadnaught IS just a HUGE reflection of how important said POS's are to EVERY player.

I just wonder if the OLD POS code is so bad, why not write/code new structures and phase out the old ones.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2818 - 2013-08-16 08:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Balder Verdandi
Oliver Stoned wrote:


Thank you Mal for the update.
CCP Seagull said that POS's won't be fixed in one Release or Expansion.
It will have to be fixed in sections.
This threadnaught IS just a HUGE reflection of how important said POS's are to EVERY player.

I just wonder if the OLD POS code is so bad, why not write/code new structures and phase out the old ones.




I have a feeling the person or group that originally coded the current POS portion of the game no longer works at CCP, or they don't have any code documentation for it, so they don't understand how it works.

Sadly, these things can and do happen ........ just another reason why I got out of programming and into networking.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2819 - 2013-08-16 08:18:50 UTC
Balder Verdandi wrote:
Oliver Stoned wrote:


Thank you Mal for the update.
CCP Seagull said that POS's won't be fixed in one Release or Expansion.
It will have to be fixed in sections.
This threadnaught IS just a HUGE reflection of how important said POS's are to EVERY player.

I just wonder if the OLD POS code is so bad, why not write/code new structures and phase out the old ones.




I have a feeling the person or group that originally coded the current POS portion of the game no longer works at CCP, or they don't have any code documentation for it, so they don't understand how it works.

Sadly, these things can and do happen ........ just another reason why I got out of programming and into networking.


I've spent my life doing maintenance programming, extracting logic from an old dead corpse of software and rebirthing it under a new language, framework, and design philosophy. I keep applying to CCP and they keep telling me I'm not smart or cool enough to work for them Cry

I'd give my right arm to be able to help with refactoring POS code, but CCP have decided a rewrite from scratch approach is the better option.

Programming is fun. You just have to be a masochistic sociopath to see the true beauty of the art.

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Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2820 - 2013-08-16 09:46:40 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:


Programming is fun. You just have to be a masochistic sociopath to see the true beauty of the art.




After my experiences with COBOL and Ada ....... pass Big smileBig smileBig smile

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!