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New dev blog: Introducting the EVE Launcher

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#121 - 2011-11-09 18:04:01 UTC
As long as we get a list of the missing blocks that are being replaced so we can keep a eye on what is being changed.Pirate

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Faith Sunstrider
#122 - 2011-11-09 18:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Faith Sunstrider
CCP Topknot wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…soooo. Manual patching?

Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


I personally hate manual patchers. But they're useful at least for me. My bandwidth is quite slow at home, but I can download patches (specially the big ones) at work and put'em in a thumb drive to patch my home client.
Patching clients in different computers (I have more three computers at my place) is easier and less bandwidth intensive as well.
mkint
#123 - 2011-11-09 18:11:32 UTC
CCP Cascade wrote:
Komen wrote:
I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.

I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.

For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher.


What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"

What feature would improve things for you?


launcher.exe is useful for 2 things:

1) patch day
2) patch fails

In 4 years of playing 2 has never happened for me. And 1 happens on average of every couple months, unless someone screws up.

So, please explain why you want to check for a failed patch EVERY SINGLE TIME we load the client?

This whole things smells of devs who don't play EVE.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Akira Zendragon
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#124 - 2011-11-09 18:11:44 UTC
+1 on the laucher and the reasoning behind it.

-1 for yet another missing feature on the Mac client.

Also:
Crunchmeister wrote:

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing".

But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding. Twisted


Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding. P


Most Windows users have not actually used a Mac (or have a masochistic tendency to like working for their PCs rather than the other way around... but maybe that's just me)
CCP Cascade
#125 - 2011-11-09 18:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Cascade
Lors Dornick wrote:
CCP Topknot wrote:
But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.


Really!?

Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?


Hi Lors Dornick,

Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication.

The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team.

As mentioned in the dev blog and previous replies, this is an early version where you have the chance to come up with cool new features, ask questions and help form the launcher into something you will be happy to use.

Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#126 - 2011-11-09 18:16:01 UTC
Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :)

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oogs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-11-09 18:20:41 UTC
Cascade, how will the launcher handle multiboxing?
Spanking Monkeys
ZC Omega
#128 - 2011-11-09 18:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Spanking Monkeys
i currently run 7 seperate installs of eve.

will this patch all 7 with one download? if not why not?

will i only see this on patch days? if not why not(mostly cos it will drive me fing mental with 7 clients logging in and out getting to different toons)?

please for the love of god tell me when i boot up each client i will not see this same thing 7 times?

edit. if i have to see this thing everytime i open a client, there will be an option to turn it off right?
Raid'En
#129 - 2011-11-09 18:23:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
CCP Cascade wrote:

What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"

What feature would improve things for you?


for me a good launcher is a launcher you don't see ; it does it jobs when needed, and we don't see he exists the others times.

if you want us to see it, then, something that i would like is different saved settings that you can select while launching the patcher ;

for example you create a high quality setting for solo / small gangs and a low quality one for big fleets / multiboxing
and on the patcher you can switch in a second between these and run "play"

after the functionnality depend on how often you want us to have this thing open.
if you consider it as something that may run everytime minimized, add some useful things like skill / ingame mail / fitting functions, but i don't think you want to go that far.

and for sure i DON'T want what i see on the current launcher ; manage you account yes, but plex and buddy invite... NO. that's only for advertising. that's what a free to play launcher wil do, and eve is not.
Sarmatiko
#130 - 2011-11-09 18:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Crasniya wrote:
Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :)

Guild Wars did it in 2003. Another feature inven.. stolen by Lizzard.

By the way I dont see any similarities at all. In WOW you still download massive patches in background, not just small delta like in EVE.
DaDutchDude
Some Random Corporation
#131 - 2011-11-09 18:27:46 UTC
Hmmmmm ..... launcher.exe does not seem to be running for me.

I'm running XP, my XP user is also system admin, and used SisiLauncher.exe to patch test client to latest version. Standard client is on my C: drive, Sisi client is on my F: drive. The Sisi client works fine. When I started launcher.exe for the first time, it showed a "downloading new [something, might be version, but it was pretty fast]" with a progress bar that sprinted from 0 to 100%, after which nothing happened. Starting launcher.exe since results in absolutely nothing happening. Computer has been rebooted, recent version of all drivers and all XP patches installed.

They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I always have the best intentions for others ...
Nu Ewodu
Doomheim
#132 - 2011-11-09 18:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Nu Ewodu
Why are devs allways so hush hush about where they got their ideas from / act like they invented something new that has already been done before (like a hundred times) and can't refer to other games?

Don't get me wrong. This is good.
Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#133 - 2011-11-09 18:30:23 UTC
this launcher seems to confirm rumors that there are in fact people running just a single account

its annoying. why cant it open multiple clients? now instead of starting eve twice, i have to start the launcher twice and start eve twice from a launcher. (or three times, or four times, depending on plex prices)
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#134 - 2011-11-09 18:33:40 UTC
Nice, this is the same as world of tanks.

How to win EVE
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2011-11-09 18:45:27 UTC
Dont most MMO's have launchers now a days? Seems standard practice...

Like the design by the way, looks great!

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Ender Sai
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2011-11-09 18:51:49 UTC
This effort fills me with joy, as does all the other possible goodies you're tacking on (multi-stage downloads, watching when patches come out etc etc.)

But really my concern here is this, the launcher you show in the devblog, while visually appealing, looks somewhat generic. You know? Like I thought "wow" but for two reasons instead of one, if you catch my drift.

I note that very careful attention has been paid to how the art in New Eden reflects a "vibe" and I would really appreciate it if this is kept for the new launcher. This is a tall order and I understand if you want to go for the whole "modern web page type launcher interface" which has become quite popular.

The current EVE launcher (assuming I'm not missing the plot completely) is kind of awesome, seeing a Mauler loom into the screen just screams "This is a game about spaceships, and it's not all friendly". Although if I did miss the plot my opinion still stands.

Oh well. Keep up the good words. Erm. And work.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#137 - 2011-11-09 18:53:21 UTC
Raid'En wrote:
remove the monocle on the screens :P

hum were is the devblog/news rss ? same for gaphical options, not visible on current build


No. Keep them. Monocles are a reminder of separating New Eden ISK from Icelandic ISK. No one in his right mind would spend 60$ on a game monocle, but spending a 1.2 billion of micky mouse money sounds about right!

Remove insurance.
Solo Player
#138 - 2011-11-09 18:54:38 UTC
Several people have asked this, but busily answering devs must have missed it:

Will the new launcher eventually be able to manage both TQ and Sisi (as well as that third one) clients?
It's the only thing that ever bothered me about the old system.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#139 - 2011-11-09 18:55:32 UTC
currently we get the option when patching to not clean up data until we have patched all installs. been told this saves downloading the patch over and over. will we get the same option or will this launcher clean up data automaticly?

please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching, really dont need to see an autopatcher when its not patching imo

OMG when can i get a pic here
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2011-11-09 18:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Am I the only one who doesn't really see the point of games with separate launchers?

I double-click an icon on my desktop to play EVE. But instead of EVE I get a window asking me whether I really want to play EVE. I just clicked the button to start it twice, why do I need to click on yet another thing?

Yes I see the point in downloading patches and stuff, but the current client does it just fine - and how often is there a new patch really?


Here's hoping that I will still be able to run EVE simply through the eve.exe file.