EVE General Discussion

Which one except not to undock?

You keep saying "he has options" but never said which one.
And for the common lies about blabla fitting, blabla no autopilot ... I explained way the are LIES!
Stop trolling the forums with this bullshit!

Just because the other guy has chosen to not be attentive doesn't mean there is no interaction going on. So no, ganking “static and harmless ships” is PvP if there is a player at the other end. The gank is still interaction, player versus player.

…oh, and no, passive targeters are important tools for sneaking up on people, so they should stay.[/quote]
balance?

Isn't it the PvP "comunity" who ALLWAYS whine and cry like babys for balance?
Oh sure, it is this PvP "comunity"!

Where is the anti-tool which provides BALANCE?
Passive targeters <-> ????????
Cargo Scanner <-> ????????
Volley of Meal (soon BC3) <-> ability to fit propper tanks AND still fit mining/hauler fitt? (you know, mining barks without mining lasers are ... useless!)

Broken??

Again the same old song ... PvP claim stuff but aren't willing to give stuff.
"WE want balance ... but just if it favors our playstyle".
Is THAT what you understand as "balance"?

So you expect haulers use one less cargo expander and no cargo expander rigs ?


It's allready proven, that "carried value" is irelevant ... Hulkadon, Ice Gaddon, for the lulz, etc etc etc
"break even" is a myth!


And again this LIE!
You gank BEHIND the gate when they need to alligne ... NOT when they arrive!

As long as guys like you stay with this LIE there is no reason to see anythink else but trolls in anyone who defends ganking.

KKTHXBYE




PS: you == gank defenders
- you claim YOUR sandbox but denai other to have their own sandbox
- you claim balance but denai propper anti tools for your gank equip
- you provide the same LIES over and over again

Who the hell should take you serious??

You = gank defenders!

Of course you can tank a hauler, if you want to. It is pretty easy, especially if you train up the right ships to haul in - you know train the industrial and transport skills. Now there is a novel idea.

****, used to use an Occator to bait pirates with as you could tank it well enough to survive, and I regularly zip around low sec in a cloaked Viator. You probably don't want to hear that though.

If that T1-fit Retriever is trying to mine blue ice in violation of the Interdiction Order then they will have to be shot. This includes blue ice in Cobalt Edge, by the way, so we'll be seeing you very soon.

First.... Mad props to Tippia for having the endurance, patience, and maturity to really depict the benefits of suicide ganking and rally against the armistice of hi-sec.

I understand miners feel victimized because some people learned how to make a profit from ganking their ships. Insurance plays a significant role in the profit margin on ganking any mining vessel larger than a retriever, and this change will significantly reduce those profits. However, the insurance changes are helping the WRONG element of Mining Society.

The dessie changes make it easier than ever to destroy a procurer or retriever. Even with the insurance changes, if one strip miner falls the dessie pilot makes a profit. I've tried to max tank these vessels, and there's no sane fit that can survive 20s of catalyst fire. These represent the new pilots that could use a boon, and deserve a little protection. Alas, they are SOL.

On the flip side, the insurance changes move the costs of a hulk-ganking brutix roughly from 6-10m to 25-30m. The truth is, hulk pilots not only represent the more advance players that should NOT need to be coddled, but they ALREADY HAVE OPTIONS to avoid their losses. Unlike a procurer pilot that can't really tank their ship, a hulk pilot can easily fit a mod strip miner II hulk or an ice harvester II hulk with 29k EHP (and thats without faction mods, gang bonuses, implants, logistics help, etc). This is more than enough buffer to survive a single brutix attack.

Essentially, this change is helping the wrong portion of miner society.

If you shitfit your ship for missions, it gets blown up. Contrarily, if you fit it appropriately, you'll be able to survive.
If you shitfit your hulk while mining, let it get blown up too, and if the fit it appropriately, they don't have much to worry about!

yeah im really gonna be hurting from losing my ability to insure a destroyer or a cruiser

they're vile and unspeakable

The whole high sec mechanics are helping the wrong pvp crowd more than every other high sec activity and that's a fact.

At this point you should be in low/null making your own place, but you don't, because you're just incapable of.
You're uber pvp guys against defenceless players and just has those you like the relative security of high sec while by just creating a player corporation this should mean you have some balls to go fight in null/low, you just don't once again.

You, your corporation, and all of those high sec grieffers are a real plague for this game community development.
The normal progression should always be, high sec, low sec, null sec.

You just don't want to follow rules of big alliances, but you want rules to protect you and you sure don't want mechanics to protect high sec miners or whatever from you. You are a terrible human being

So when someone publicly states he doesn't play any more because of you actions (goon perma ganking) adn you publicly answer "mission accomplished" I should rapport you?

Silly roostbeef

From you it's ok, you're my mentor so I think I can handle with

By the way how's you lol cat going?