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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#721 - 2011-11-09 03:00:00 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
And using friendly Webber is concidert "game abuse" ... creat work CCP. Firendly actions are ban reasons, asotial behavior isn't. GREAT WORK!

No. it's not. Stop making **** up.

You're up to 20/10 by the way.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#722 - 2011-11-09 03:01:24 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
There are plenty of action he can do, ..


Which one that is a REAL action?

Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!

Learn the game before you go off and sound like a moron (too late but try for next time).

Fitting makes a hell of a difference. Look on KB sites for Hulks on the killing side of battles. It happens frequently (though many miners don't bother with KBs...).


Not using autopilot reduces a large amount of the risk of hauling. It won't remove every gank, but most ganks happen in the 5 minutes of travelling 15km rathe than the 10 seconds of speed up to warp.


We aren't saying these methods will make you immune (because that woudl be counter to EVE's purpose), but they reduce risk.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#723 - 2011-11-09 03:08:11 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:


"directional scanner" == I warp to 0 NOT autopiloting, jump throught the gate and .. BAM ... 10 sec to alligne warp or 5 mins to slowboat back to gate ... in boths options I am dead UNABLE to defend my stuff -> FAIL BALANCE + MISSING anti-gang tools (anti-cargo-scanner, anti-lock-item, not enough CPU/GRID/SLOTS to fit needed buffer ... fail, fail and more FAIL by designe!)



Funny, years ago....when I was a just a pup, the SAME thing happened to me, a couple of Russians popped me on alignment. Lost about 50% of my net worth at the time.

I didn't come on the forums to cry about it like a punk. I learned how to do it to other people, made a mint - and then taught others how to profit from it.

Since then, I've lost multiple freighters to suicide ganks. The two most recent - to the Russian Thunder Squad and the Cardshark Influence.

I don't whine about it to CCP and demand rule changes to make my life easier. I just deal and adjust.

Right now, I am 'adjusting' by burning through my stockpile of Tempests and warming up the old POS labs for some research on a few Tornado BPOs. Lol

You, sir, are pathetic - not even remotely worthy of the name Jojo.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#724 - 2011-11-09 03:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
There are plenty of action he can do, ..


Which one that is a REAL action?

Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!

You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying.

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Trying to play this sandbox game in any other way then yours is not smart?

How about this:
- using a Passive Targeting System in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in CONCORD actions + sec loose
- using a Gargo Scanner in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in COCORD actions + sec loose
- ANY pirate whos ship is destroyed by CONCORD will from now on be "jailed" and unable to do any action for 48 hours
- If he is brought down by CONCORD within the next 30 days again this "jail" time will be expand to 1 week!

- CCP redesignes ALL indutrie/transport ships so they can defend themselve by just using T2 items like ganKers use for their criminal actions
- CCP introduce propper anti-cargoscanner, anti-passive targeter items which can ONLY be used on indutrie/transport ships

No more hidden target chosing, no more eazy kills, if you chose to live as a criminal you have to take the consequenz if cought by the police (EvE is real you know? Real criminals are jailed for YEARS when cought!) -> ADDEPT OR KKTHBYE

PS: just forgot
- any player (char) who trys to get the victims goods are also seen as criminal and will therefor taged as CONCORD target too.
- any player who trys to trade/sell goods aquierd by hostil actions will seen as criminal too
- if this criminals are cought by CONCORD the will recive the same punishment as the ganKer recived


YOU chose to live as criminal !
With this chose you ACCEPT the consequenzes if CONCORD brings you down !!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#725 - 2011-11-09 03:25:23 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.

But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#726 - 2011-11-09 03:25:57 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
There are plenty of action he can do, ..


Which one that is a REAL action?

Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!

You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying.

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Trying to play this sandbox game in any other way then yours is not smart?

How about this:
- using a Passive Targeting System in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in CONCORD actions + sec loose
- using a Gargo Scanner in highsec is from now on seen as hostil action and will result in COCORD actions + sec loose
- ANY pirate whos ship is destroyed by CONCORD will from now on be "jailed" and unable to do any action for 48 hours
- If he is brought down by CONCORD within the next 30 days again this "jail" time will be expand to 1 week!

- CCP redesignes ALL indutrie/transport ships so they can defend themselve by just using T2 items like ganKers use for their criminal actions
- CCP introduce propper anti-cargoscanner, anti-passive targeter items which can ONLY be used on indutrie/transport ships

No more hidden target chosing, no more eazy kills, if you chose to live as a criminal you have to take the consequenz if cought by the police (EvE is real you know? Real criminals are jailed for YEARS when cought!) -> ADDEPT OR KKTHBYE

PS: just forgot
- any player (char) who trys to get the victims goods are also seen as criminal and will therefor taged as CONCORD target too.
- any player who trys to trade/sell goods aquierd by hostil actions will seen as criminal too
- if this criminals are cought by CONCORD the will recive the same punishment as the ganKer recived

Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!Shocked
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#727 - 2011-11-09 03:26:41 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.


You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money?

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jerek Mothas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#728 - 2011-11-09 03:27:36 UTC
Jojo, I know you probably mean well, but...please learn to spell before you argue with these guys. Does wonders to your credibility. Depending on what your point is, of course.

Failfitting ships since 2007.

"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#729 - 2011-11-09 03:28:13 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.


You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money?

There are no Goon bots.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#730 - 2011-11-09 03:28:55 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.


You mean you help Goon Bots to make more money?


I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#731 - 2011-11-09 03:29:13 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!Shocked

Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate".

Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them.

Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#732 - 2011-11-09 03:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Malcanis wrote:

I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.

So Goons are DRF-Pets now and do the dirty work so DRF bots can earn more money with RMTing?

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#733 - 2011-11-09 03:33:49 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.

Have you ever actually played Eve?

We are currently having a newbie drive in our alliance. We have been running fleets with several players who are less than a week old and they have been having fun shooting evil dudes in Delve. A few of them have also joined the Gallente Ice Interdiction efforts. Why would you think new players can't PvP?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#734 - 2011-11-09 03:34:54 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!Shocked

Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate".

Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them.

Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*.

You obviously have not tried it, or even know what I refer to. It works on experienced gankers just as well as noob gankers. Heck, it works on heavy interdictors in WH space.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#735 - 2011-11-09 03:35:06 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

I think you mean DRF bots. Minerals come from dronespace.

So Goons are DRF-Pets now and do the dirty work so DRF bots can earn more money with RMTing?

Goons and DRF have joined forces to create the DCF (Drone Clusterfuck Federation) to completely control nullsec. It's p cool.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#736 - 2011-11-09 03:49:51 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.

But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else.


i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.

ganking can be fun i have done it.

my question is when does ganking become griefing?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#737 - 2011-11-09 03:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
cpu939 wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

So ice mining is not smart in the eyes of Goons?
Flying a Hulk is not smart in the eyes of Goons?

Actually you are correct. The mining system in Eve is horrible and you can make more money doing just about any other activity. If we get people to quit mining we are helping them.

But if people really hate themselves so much that they want to mine then they should have to actually play the game like the rest of us do...they shouldn't be able to gather resources and make money while afk'd out doing something else.


i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.

ganking can be fun i have done it.

my question is when does ganking become griefing?

Generally, when its done to one person continually and/or the person has other evidence of personal (non EVE related) targeting (following them around the universe is a good indication), it is ruled as griefing.

Really, it depends on how well you can talk it up with a GM.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#738 - 2011-11-09 03:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
cpu939 wrote:
i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.

There is not a single thing about the current mining mechanic that is fun. The only reason I ever see people list when asked why they mine is that it's somehow relaxing or something they can do afk. And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.

cpu939 wrote:
ganking can be fun i have done it.

Excellent! Come help us out in the Gallente ice belts!

cpu939 wrote:
my question is when does ganking become griefing?

Never unless CCP changes their ToS. The absolute best part of the ice interdiction is the several people who have sent us rl death threats after we blew them up which results in their account getting permabanned because rl death threats are against the ToS and suicide ganking is not.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#739 - 2011-11-09 03:57:37 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!Shocked

Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate".

Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them.

Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*.

You obviously have not tried it, or even know what I refer to. It works on experienced gankers just as well as noob gankers. Heck, it works on heavy interdictors in WH space.


experiened ganked would look for another target or bump you

cloaky hualer finds the target he is not aligned gankers warp in - dead ship
cloaky hualer finds the target he is aligned hual gets in range and bumps ship - no agro you can't fire on him or your concord gankers lol (so do i) - gankers gank your ship

any ganker that wont bump an alinged ship is a noob
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#740 - 2011-11-09 03:58:36 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.