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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#381 - 2013-07-05 11:49:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe you should have watched Boat on themittani.com stream, because he knew why.


I was in Vily's fleet. I knew why. Mad Ani didn't. Cool
Freelancer Spaceman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#382 - 2013-07-05 11:51:07 UTC
Well done Odyssey Trailer promise alot of fun and large fleet battles. Too bad its only propaganda.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#383 - 2013-07-05 11:52:42 UTC
Freelancer Spaceman wrote:
Well done Odyssey Trailer promise alot of fun and large fleet battles. Too bad its only propaganda.

Is it goon propaganda?

~~See you in 319 station~~

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#384 - 2013-07-05 11:53:13 UTC
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#385 - 2013-07-05 11:53:19 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe you should have watched Boat on themittani.com stream, because he knew why.

I was in Vily's fleet. I knew why. Mad Ani didn't. Cool

Good. Good.

I can't wait to hear Riverini's take on why.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#386 - 2013-07-05 11:53:53 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.

Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

Well, we held the field but the prizes disappeared from the space.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#387 - 2013-07-05 11:56:48 UTC
Niding wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Because I know the difference between real life and a video game?

Because CCP, like any other company, needs revenue to survive.

The service you provide doesnt matter much, if the customer isnt happy with service delivered they will
not keep buying/paying.
This is why you got customer relations and quality assuarance.

Your grasp on "real life" seems exaggerated.

EVE is real.

The carriers are gone, and they ain't gonna return until it's safe. Deal with it.


TEST needs revenue to survive. The "reimbursement" they provide doesnt matter much, if the pilots don't get it in time they will not keep reshipping/logging in.

This is why you have reimbursement and doctrine teams.


Your grasp on how much TEST had us right where they wanted us seems exaggerated.

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Fenrix Mernher
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#388 - 2013-07-05 11:57:54 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#389 - 2013-07-05 12:03:00 UTC
Fenrix Mernher wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.

Uh huh. They were also about to aoe doomsday us, right?

TEST also had an extra 1000 people in Rokhs ready to bridge in as well.

Their newbies had also just reshipped into 500 blackbirds.

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Fenrix Mernher
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#390 - 2013-07-05 12:07:04 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.

Uh huh. They were also about to aoe doomsday us, right?

TEST also had an extra 1000 people in Rokhs ready to bridge in as well.

Their newbies had also just reshipped into 500 blackbirds.

CFC have people who watch N3 jabber pings, we know this, they know N3 was about to commit slowcats. Now you are making yourself look incredibly stupid. Thank you.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#391 - 2013-07-05 12:12:23 UTC
Fenrix Mernher wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.


Close to it, yes, but there were also additional megathron fleets forming, as I'm sure you're aware.

As for CCP quality control... I'd say rather the problem lies in the systemic controls that allow a single engineer's miskeyed command to have this effect, and I'm optimistic that CCP will rectify that situation. It's the only one that needs rectification, really.
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#392 - 2013-07-05 12:13:49 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
C'mon, c'mon.
Is already done.
Logs show nothing.
Brand new day in Fountain. Let's make it bright.
Lol

I believe a Goon station egg has already been brightening up the nebulae in Fountain this morning.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Northern Coalition.
#393 - 2013-07-05 12:16:30 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.

Uh huh. They were also about to aoe doomsday us, right?

TEST also had an extra 1000 people in Rokhs ready to bridge in as well.

Their newbies had also just reshipped into 500 blackbirds.


Despite all the Goon propoganda that the crash caused them to lose their beloved carrier kills, you don't actually realise how close you were to getting stomped on yourself.

Had that slowcat fleet bridged in (and yes it did exist) things would have been a different kettle of fish. Would you have deployed that dread fleet you were forming to deal with that? and would N3 and PL have dropped all their trigger happy Supers and Titans to bring the fight to its climax?

My point is, that all this whining about how you lost your carrier kills is irrelevent because you do not actually know what would have happened?

Do you think N3, PL and TEST would have just stood by and watched 5 fleets die in a fire and leave those 150 supers and titans sitting there in a military parade?

Goons were just as fortunate as TEST
Raging Beaver
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#394 - 2013-07-05 12:17:39 UTC
CCP is the new AAA (if you know what I mean).

Thanks for stealing out carrier kills and one small request from my side - next time you try to "improve" anything during a large-scale batte - DON'T.
Fenrix Mernher
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#395 - 2013-07-05 12:18:31 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

CFC were committed in several sub cap fleets, capitals were dropped to create a situation where to continue holding the field you would need to dreadnoughts.


Except we were rather clearly holding the field without dreads. There is a definite point where subcaps can no longer hold the field. TEST & Co. did not manage to bring us to that point. I would have been interesting to see them do it.

As far as I am aware there was another slowcat fleet about to bridge in. That would have pushed you fairly close to the edge of needing your own caps.

Also, people who think a CCP employee should lose his job and have a career ended because of a mistype and communication error at 11:30pm local time should probably quit eve and do the rest of the community a favour. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you.

The issue is clearly CCP quality control, not the human error of one engineer.


Close to it, yes, but there were also additional megathron fleets forming, as I'm sure you're aware.

As for CCP quality control... I'd say rather the problem lies in the systemic controls that allow a single engineer's miskeyed command to have this effect, and I'm optimistic that CCP will rectify that situation. It's the only one that needs rectification, really.

It would have evolved into an interesting fight, I mean N3/PL/Test clearly got dunked pretty hard, and it was an important morale booster for CFC. So hopefully it isn't the last of it's kind.

That's pretty much what I meant regarding quality control, the fact there isn't a suitable system in place to minimise the impact of human error is a fairly large oversight. I imagine CCP are already well on their way to addressing the situation in an appropriate manner.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#396 - 2013-07-05 12:19:21 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:

Goons were just as fortunate as TEST


I'd say, rather, that TEST was just as unfortunate as the CFC - we all lost the end of what really was a kickass little brawl.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#397 - 2013-07-05 12:22:40 UTC
Fenrix Mernher wrote:

It would have evolved into an interesting fight, I mean N3/PL/Test clearly got dunked pretty hard, and it was an important morale booster for CFC. So hopefully it isn't the last of it's kind.


Oh, definitely. I mean, just from what's been said here, we can all see that there were a number of levels of gambit and counter-gambit being strategized on both sides.

Would've been fun. Ah well. Next time, eh?
Koda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#398 - 2013-07-05 12:23:07 UTC
Its funny how Test and pets are all happy with this.. I mean, CCP just saved them all, not that they didnt got their asses kicked, but still, CCP saved most of their cap fleet and stopped a possible awesome escalation in this war!
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#399 - 2013-07-05 12:41:47 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
Do you think N3, PL and TEST would have just stood by and watched 5 fleets die in a fire and leave those 150 supers and titans sitting there in a military parade?



They did.....for 5 hours. They let the first 50 carriers die before they even brought in the Rokh's.
Aldap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#400 - 2013-07-05 12:45:09 UTC
I'm not a big fan of CFC or TEST, never got into all this huge fights scene, but respect where its due to CFC for this one, I watched the video, you guys really brought the heat... Sounds like CCP really messed this one up. condolences :-)

An interesting article about Solo PvP: http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo