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CCP SERVER ENGINEERS ARE IN TEST

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Sabrina Scatterbrain
United Souls Research And Development
#581 - 2013-07-05 00:09:39 UTC
CCP TEST: Hey CCP Dolan, before I press ENTER please confirm I have entered everything correctly.

CCP Dolan: Looks good to me, do it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#582 - 2013-07-05 00:09:48 UTC
Yuluthu wrote:
Chase Hakoke wrote:
lol you guys think you would have actually killed 112 TEST carriers before this escalated? LOL. Test would have dropped supers... then the CFC... then all TEST friends and then all the cfc supers would die. You guys should be thanking CCP.


I hear supers are pretty good for blapping celestises and megathrons

You can't RSD a titan. Checkmate goonie

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Powers Sa
#583 - 2013-07-05 00:09:51 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

The usual player logoff mechanics with all associated timers are just not relevant during downtime or live remaps.

Please also note that further information is currently being compiled to give you a more detailed overview.


I think everyone involved will disagree to the relevance.

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Alexander Omega
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#584 - 2013-07-05 00:10:11 UTC
Hey, CCP, why don't you give the CFC one free node crash at the time of our choosing? We get one 'get out of whelp free card' to match the one your engineer just handed test.
MyBoy friday
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#585 - 2013-07-05 00:10:12 UTC
Chase Hakoke wrote:
lol you guys think you would have actually killed 112 TEST carriers before this escalated? LOL. Test would have dropped supers... then the CFC... then all TEST friends and then all the cfc supers would die. You guys should be thanking CCP.


You would have dropped supers how? My understanding is that the system was overloaded, with more CFC on the way. I'm guessing that if you would have dropped supers, some would have made it in and most would have been locked out by traffic control.
If you have any information to the contrary, please share.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#586 - 2013-07-05 00:10:13 UTC
Sabrina Scatterbrain wrote:
CCP TEST: Hey CCP Dolan, before I press ENTER please confirm I have entered everything correctly.

CCP Dolan: Looks good to me, do it.

The logs show nothing like that.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Chase Hakoke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#587 - 2013-07-05 00:10:35 UTC
Wibla wrote:
Chase Hakoke wrote:
lol you guys think you would have actually killed 112 TEST carriers before this escalated? LOL. Test would have dropped supers... then the CFC... then all TEST friends and then all the cfc supers would die. You guys should be thanking CCP.


You're delusional and/or trolling.

We had you outnumbered close to 2:1 in battleships, your carriers were popping left and right, and your good friends (who left you to die earlier in the fight, btw) refused to escalate because we had 60+ dictors and 20+ hictors on the field.




AND YET THE CFC DIDN'T DROP A SINGLE CAPITAL. And they know why they didn't either. 300 megas aint gonna do much against a super blob.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#588 - 2013-07-05 00:10:44 UTC
Alexander Omega wrote:
Hey, CCP, why don't you give the CFC one free node crash at the time of our choosing? We get one 'get out of whelp free card' to match the one your engineer just handed test.

Only if it accidentally triggers and remaps VFK instead.

Or Jita

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Danny Calamity
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#589 - 2013-07-05 00:10:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
The command to remap everything other than Z9PP-H from the current server node was mis-entered. Instead of moving everything else than Z9PP-H, the command was given to move everything else than Q9PP-H. Therefore Z9PP-H (and everything else on the current node) was remapped with the fatal consequences we see now.


It's unsurprising that your code doesn't check whether the excepted system actually exists on the node. A good coder always adds a sanity check regardless of how competent they expect the user to be.


You do realize how old the EVE codebase is, right? There's no guarantees of ease of integration even if this particular command was new. It's pretty :pohr: either way, but every programmer knows that this is just daily life. Decade-old code is never a good thing.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#590 - 2013-07-05 00:11:16 UTC
Ayures wrote:

****, you're right. I wouldn't want to interfere with the narrative.


Ayures, seriously, why is this level of incompetence acceptable? When it happened to CFC dreads, why was it acceptable then? Modern IT systems should be creating archival images at regular intervals - intervals that actually shorten as usage increases due to the need to back-up a higher volume of data flow and state changes. Why is losing customer data acceptable, rather than a 5-10 minute (hell, 10% tidi, make it a half hour, an hour!) rollback?

You said (more than once) 'sure, we'll trade you for the dreads', and I'm saying that I think that'd be preferable to continued substandard service. I notice you don't seem to be respond to that - from me, or anyone else who's saying it. Why not?

Do you prefer substandard service?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#591 - 2013-07-05 00:11:31 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:

The usual player logoff mechanics with all associated timers are just not relevant during downtime or live remaps.

Please also note that further information is currently being compiled to give you a more detailed overview.

I think everyone involved will disagree to the relevance.

We're irrelevant.

Only a small fraction of the playerbase.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gnoshia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#592 - 2013-07-05 00:11:40 UTC
Alexander Omega wrote:
Hey, CCP, why don't you give the CFC one free node crash at the time of our choosing? We get one 'get out of whelp free card' to match the one your engineer just handed test.


I second this. What's fair is fair.
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#593 - 2013-07-05 00:11:46 UTC
Chase Hakoke wrote:
Wibla wrote:
Chase Hakoke wrote:
lol you guys think you would have actually killed 112 TEST carriers before this escalated? LOL. Test would have dropped supers... then the CFC... then all TEST friends and then all the cfc supers would die. You guys should be thanking CCP.


You're delusional and/or trolling.

We had you outnumbered close to 2:1 in battleships, your carriers were popping left and right, and your good friends (who left you to die earlier in the fight, btw) refused to escalate because we had 60+ dictors and 20+ hictors on the field.




AND YET THE CFC DIDN'T DROP A SINGLE CAPITAL. And they know why they didn't either. 300 megas aint gonna do much against a super blob.


We didn't have to.
Le Creed
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#594 - 2013-07-05 00:11:55 UTC
Chase Hakoke wrote:
lol you guys think you would have actually killed 112 TEST carriers before this escalated? LOL. Test would have dropped supers... then the CFC... then all TEST friends and then all the cfc supers would die. You guys should be thanking CCP.


We killed at least 10-15 and there was no sign of an incoming escalation. You guys were keen to let the carriers die. Had you actually wished to escalate, you would have done so before you started shedding carriers faster than I could lock targets and fire.
Voyan Ageri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#595 - 2013-07-05 00:12:29 UTC
Alexander Omega wrote:
Hey, CCP, why don't you give the CFC one free node crash at the time of our choosing? We get one 'get out of whelp free card' to match the one your engineer just handed test.


Actually you've got it wrong - CCP still owes us 3 more. Blink
Zhade Lezte
#596 - 2013-07-05 00:12:35 UTC
I've got to say that this all being because some CCP member fatfingered the first letter in a system name on their keyboard is pretty damn hilarious. But as others said, it seems there is a lot you can do to keep this from occurring in the future (IE: checking that the system in question actually exists before trying to remap with respect with it).
octahexx Charante
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#597 - 2013-07-05 00:12:40 UTC
tbh the tidi was pure hell in that system i think alot of people are glad it went down after spending 5 hours in it but they wont say that out loud..

also clearly test is a CIA CCP front.

Band Of Bees dont be mad there will be more fights :3
Yokomaki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#598 - 2013-07-05 00:12:42 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Shamata wrote:
CCP you just ****** one of the largets fleet battels in eve history... THANKS!

In the attempt to improve the overall fight quality and node stability in the Z9PP system at 22:41 UTC by moving away all non-critical services from this node, our engineers unfortuntely made a mistake and actually moved the critical system from the current server node instead of moving all other systems. As result every pilot in this system lost connection to the node and therefore to Tranquility.

The system Z9PP is online and accessible again now.

It is extremely unfortunate to make such a mistake and we apologize deeply for disrupting one of the truly epic battles in the history of EVE; especially since this battle already raged on for several hours and was still heating up for more! We are very sorry about this incident and will make sure that such mistakes won't happen again.


Actually pretty cool you came out with such a sincere and honest explanatin. Thank you for that much.
Ayures
Perkone
Caldari State
#599 - 2013-07-05 00:12:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:
LMAO @ you space jockeys crying - i've said for a while that undocking in new eden is an over-rated experience yet you kids still complain ?

Stay docked, Stay Safe.

We would have told test that but actualyl it's

Stay logged off. Stay safe.


Remember all those times when CFC dreads were ordered to not log back in?

And then all the TESTies flooded into the forums to demand that the dreads be destroyed and someone at CCP fired? Oh, wait...
Schadenfraud
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#600 - 2013-07-05 00:13:01 UTC
Danny Calamity wrote:
Andski wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
The command to remap everything other than Z9PP-H from the current server node was mis-entered. Instead of moving everything else than Z9PP-H, the command was given to move everything else than Q9PP-H. Therefore Z9PP-H (and everything else on the current node) was remapped with the fatal consequences we see now.


It's unsurprising that your code doesn't check whether the excepted system actually exists on the node. A good coder always adds a sanity check regardless of how competent they expect the user to be.


You do realize how old the EVE codebase is, right? There's no guarantees of ease of integration even if this particular command was new. It's pretty :pohr: either way, but every programmer knows that this is just daily life. Decade-old code is never a good thing.


Because people only started sanity checking inputs in the last 10 years.