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Republic denies Senate request to join Midular funeral procession
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#1 - 2013-07-04 01:56:53 UTC
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Pator – The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.

The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. “The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.”

However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, “The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.”

According to the Senatorial source, “No special accommodations were requested,” but added that the Senate “has no plans to press the issue.”


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Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#2 - 2013-07-04 02:32:14 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
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Pator – The Minmatar Tribal Council has turned down a request from the Gallente Senate to allow an official Senatorial delegation to join in the funeral procession of Karin Midular. Midular, known as the Ray of Matar, is scheduled to be removed from the Grand Caravanserai and laid to rest according to Sebiestor customs on the 4th.

The Senate had made the request a week ago via private channels, according to a source. “The request was made in completely good faith. Relations with the Minmatar have obviously been strained during this entire ordeal. The Senate just wanted to remind the Republic that, despite the brief flaring of tempers, we remain friends.”

However, the statement released by the Tribal Council said, “The funeral of Karin Midular will not be turned into political spectacle. We will not prevent anyone from attending the procession, but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries during the final farewell to our Ray of Matar would be disrespectful.”

According to the Senatorial source, “No special accommodations were requested,” but added that the Senate “has no plans to press the issue.”


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There is little one can add to this statement of utter contempt by the Tribal Council for their once and would be allies.

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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-04 02:41:49 UTC

Ridiculous.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#4 - 2013-07-04 04:20:25 UTC
I'm surprised that Shakor passed up such a perfect opportunity to assassinate such a big chunk of the Federation senate, all at once, before launching his surprise invasion.

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Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-04 04:33:04 UTC
I think it would have to be unexpected in order to qualify as a surprise invasion...

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-07-04 05:27:29 UTC
Given the Federation's recent reactions, what makes you think it wouldn't be unexpected?
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2013-07-04 07:07:03 UTC
Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons. I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.

The gesture is noble of course. And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over. On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.

(I'll leave the discussion on how this divide was created and who should make the first step out of this, there are enough threads on that already)

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-07-04 07:28:16 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Come now. They were refused as a political body. Not as persons.



It's the funeral of a major political leader. It IS a political event, and not allowing your allies to represent their nation's mourning for that leader is a political act.

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...but to afford special status to a group of foreign dignitaries...


At this point, I'm not sure the Republic believes itself to be in an alliance any longer at all.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-07-04 07:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
I see nothing of particularly startling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral.

For once, I think blaming either the Republic or Federation is a fool's errand, it is clear that poor journalistic integrity is at work.

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#10 - 2013-07-04 08:04:35 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
I can understand that a funeral of this magnitude should not be drawn into a political situation.


Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking.
It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.

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And I can only hope that the Tribal Council will eventually sit down with the Senate to talk these things over.


Not if they keep making such political faux pas like the one mentioned in this topic.
But, I can't really complain; Republicans, keep digging.

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On the other hand I hope that the gesture from the senate is not purely political. If they really care to mend this divide they would show up still, in their own name, and not representing the senate.


Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it?
You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve.
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#11 - 2013-07-04 08:21:56 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:

Of course, given all the political circumstances regarding Midular's death, not to mention things that escalated from it, I can only call it wishful thinking.
It is a political situation no matter how much someone would like to close their eyes to that simple truth.


The situation surrounding the death of the Ray, the events that followed, those are all political. What is happening now is that the tribe is saying their final goodbyes to their leader, and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.

Leopold Caine wrote:

Thus implying, or rather sending a message that the Senate doesn't care about the death of Midular, openly mocking it?
You know, given Republic's insolence on this matter I think that would actually be a proper retort, and one they'd deserve.


They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.

Aelisha wrote:

I see nothing of particularly starling or worrying nature here, just the media bleating on about the reasonable request to keep politics out of an important funeral


This!

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#12 - 2013-07-04 08:51:06 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
and despite all the controversy surrounding the topic I feel that that should not be drawn into the political field.


I disagree, and believe it's a bit too late for that anyway.

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They can still show personal integrity by showing up and paying their respects. There is nothing wrong with that. The Tribal Council stated so themselves this would not be a problem. I don't see in any way, shape or form how paying your respects for someone lost is openly mocking it.


It would be a breach of diplomatic protocol.
They are Senate representatives, as such they represent the Senate. No matter what their personal beliefs or impressions about Karin Midular might be, they don't flip a switch and suddenly start being regular Federal citizens with little to no responsibility.

Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares.
At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#13 - 2013-07-04 11:10:11 UTC
Political party A makes formal request to Political party B regarding something under Political party B's control.


Political party B refuses the request, stating reasons.


Political party A accepts this and does not pursue the matter further.




See, it's not as hard as the Republic thinks.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-07-04 11:57:57 UTC
Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door!
Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once.
Still good for a start !

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Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-07-04 12:24:01 UTC
Kim, Shut the hell up.
Did you not read the damned message? they said ANYONE could attend but that they didn't want the funeral made political.

So your attempt at throwing a political barb into the works is, to say the least, in bad taste.
That said, I expect that from a waste of genetic material like you.
Next time you clone, please, have an accident. The cluster will be better off without you.
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2013-07-04 12:31:30 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:


Ergo, at this point sending a Senate representative with a message that 'they are here just as physical persons' would send a clear message that Senate doesn't really care about Midular's death. Not sure the Republic really cares.
At this point however, the Senate will probably do nothing about it, as usual.



I disagree. At this point if any senator would show up it would testify of their personal conviction and dedication to mending the divide created between the Republic and the Federation. It's about a personal statement at that point. However care should be taken that a senator does not go ahead and make a statement like this because they disagree with things in the Federation, or because of personal profiling.

If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray.

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#17 - 2013-07-04 13:24:03 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Well done, Republic, for showing Federal scum direction to the door!
Of course, it would be better, if you backed it by pummeling their noses with your boots, but, meh, not everything at once.
Still good for a start !


My dear Ms. Kim, kindly go take a stroll outside whatever station you hide out in without an EVA suit, and spare us your idiocy,

You are like a slaver hound pup - constantly yapping.

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#18 - 2013-07-04 13:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Vachon
As for the funeral of Midular, they refused the request of our Senate, that is their prerogative. The Senate or the President should give official words of condolences and eulogy and leave it be at that.

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Jorden Ishonen
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-07-04 13:45:41 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
If anyone, and I do mean anyone in this cluster decides to go to the funeral procession it should be done because of personal conviction and respect towards the Ray.


"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation Senate wants to come and express commitment towards restoring peace between the Republic and Federation? SCREW THEM!"
Toluijin Chagangan
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-07-04 14:06:36 UTC
Jorden, I take it you're an intelligent and literate individual.
Please read the article again.

to paraphrase and correct your statement...

"Hey, let's have a funeral for this noted proponent of peace in the cluster. What? The Federation senate wants to come as a political entity? We would rather not have a day of mourning for the Ray of Matar turned into a political circus, You're all welcome to attend as individuals, but not as a 'senatorial delegation'. We hope you understand."

Yeah, doesn't have the same venomous ring to it as your statement, does it?

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