EVE General Discussion

hypothetically:

If concord was removed, gateguns in highsec actually had tracking and the like, kill rights were transferabble; wouldn't that open up a more lively mercenary profession? In effect allow for the possibility of hiring mercenaries to protect your badger to protect you on your way to market?

Curious if this is the line of reasoning for some in the thread.

Since I don't play the devil's advocate, I think I'll stick around, thankyouverymuch.

If doing so “tarnishes my opinion” in some people's eyes, then they didn't actually respect it to begin with so any kind of tarnish will be entirely inconsequential.

And that was not *random* - that was basically the only *real* whine here.

:CCP: ate my post (DAMMIT! FIX THAT TOO!)


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Until CCP removes the ability to aggress other players in hi-sec, ganking is an implicitly allowed activity. I get that people don't like this (and they certainly don't like the people who do it), it is within the mechanics of the game.


All I can hope is that CCP is making these changes to hi-sec, while at the same time, reviewing aggression and war-dec mechanics. Hi -sec is "safer", not "invulnerable".

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Yes I can see the points you are trying tio make but we are overlooking something: this is about high-sec.

The harsher play you describe as being attractive works in the same interest curb you describe if there was more carebear to the game than gankbear.

So the game has attracted already "only so many players" and then when you reach a certain level of griefplay, few new players come in. At the same time, the griefbears, like the carebears, also get bored and eventually leave, just as you describe what the carebears would do. A valid premise, but it can happen either way.

If it was all grief all the time, or all carebear all the time, the end result is the same: attraction on a certain level that plateaus eventually.

But we are leaving out that there are three different zones and this is only about one of them. Stronger Concord, no insurance, and other features real or imagines that carebear up high-sec would not have much effect, if any, on lowsec or 0.0.

In the meantime, we see a lot of 0.0 and lowsec topics surface where there is much lament for a lack of population in these areas. If EvE had say 1 million players instead of 300K, that would have a greater effect on 0.0 and lowsec than the present conditions where it's static at 300K and people are getting griefed before they even have the skills or ISK to consider leaving highsec. We cannot predict what people will do but a greater mass of people means a rising tide that lifts all boats. In other words, if there were only say 10 women to hit on in my county, I would have a better chance of being out of luck than if there were 10000 - meaning that at least a few more would be dumb enough to go out with me. So even if we admitted that 0.0 or lowsec would not be appealing to 700K more players, not all 700K of them are going to turtle up in highsec. If even less than a quarter of that left high sec that would still have a positive impact to the desires of 0.0 and low (bigger fleets, more targets, more commerce to pirate, etc).

Quite often in topics like this I see that people who care about the game and the future of it want to see a safer place for noobs but are not looking to eliminate PVP in low and 0.0, but those who take pride in driving people away from the game make the same tired argument that their style if highsec PVP - griefing - is necessary. It's time for people to be honest and admit that driving people away is their goal. I think that the baseless nature their arguments is starting to show more to CCP and CCP, being a for-profit organization, is starting to realize that catering to people who want to drive people away from a game is not profitable. A game where it's "join with a power bloc or die horribly on day one" might sound like major e-peen fodder but it will eventually kill a game and the people saying that's what the game is all about are going to have a little pang of pride when the game shuts down.

Highsec should be a noob heaven, and could be, without being an ISK pump. The ISK faucet should be turned way down so the bots don't exploit the safety. So while I think it would work to make highsec completely safe, we would need a progressive tax system for noob corp members and also for all activities in high sec. Why? Because in the US I watch people MOVE their homes and businesses from one state that taxes their income too much, to others that tax them less. Taxes are enough to make people change their lives in RL, it would be enough to change their game too. Make highsec the complete safety zone for noobs but don't let it be profitable for bots and ISK hogs (those who think the game is all about the bigger number in the wallet - these are the people who don't tank their haulers).

What would you call it then?

He even goes as far as claiming that this change will no longer allow for freighter ganking. You don't find it even a tad bit emo? C'mon man. Read the post.

Nice theory but what about the masses who will always chose the safest option or quit?

come on guys lets just be honest, this is about pvpers wanting cheap free kills that they dont have to work for.

its got nothing to do with pve vs pvp

its all down to the i want a cheap easy kill to make my score look good. gankers dont want to fight in lowsec cause the other guys have a chance to fight back.

im a pver, ill eventually go pvping but at the moment im quite happy doing a few missions here and there to pay for my sub, i dont have much time to play so i do what i can with what i have.

even if the rewards in low sec were better, and pvers went there, gankers wouldnt follow simply becuase there targets would be much better prepered, also the whole point of suicide ganking is to alpha stike the player , meaning thay have no chance to fight back at all. i fail to see how this change makes it safer? it just means it costs a bit more to gank thats all which takes us back to the addage

IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE IT DONT FLY IT!

Imagine if the reality of the game was a bit closer to that thought :)

Missed that - yeah, he's emo, should htfu or stfu or gtfo (imho) - and he's wrong about the freighter thing too... vOv didn't even register on my whine-o-meter...

However, some of the entire comments (and more than one or two) from people lauding the change certainly read far more emo-ishly... Frankly, I live in wormholes, and this change will not directly impact me. The *knock-on* effects are where my concerns lie...



I chose the safe route for 8 months or more, I didn't quit... vOv