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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2281 - 2013-06-30 20:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Random McNally wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
(Meta: Nooo, we lost Laudenum! She thinks capsuleers must die in order to become capsuleers!* Sad )


* I know it's a lost cause now that the marketing guys are gonna seed the "we die to become capsuleers" meme into everyone who sees the new intro video, but I will keep loyal to the old lore** in which capsuleers are surgically modified so they can plug to a capsule and only become clones in case that it's necessary to burn their brains to transfer their conscience to a clone.

**See: The Jovian wet grave, specifically:

Quote:
(...)

Pirkotan sat thoughtfully, scratching the back of his neck. It was still sore after the operation. While berthed on the Ishukone station Ouriye had encouraged Pirkotan to have neural implants inserted into his spinal cord and cerebellum, saying that it would definitely further his career.

(...)


There you have it. One of the first (and unlucky) capsuleers explicitly telling us what he was required to become a capsuleer: implants to cerebellum and spinal chord. Q.E.D. It's the Dusties who have got a massive implant inside of their brain and the only way to put it there is to grow a clone around it, so they must die in order to transfer their mind to the implanted clone)


And with all due respect, I counter with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZPCiqBLPM8&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1

...and I will add this. http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/scientific-articles/cloning/

with particular attention to this....


Quote:
At the time of purchase, the customer undergoes a thorough examination and several tissue samples are taken. This is then used to construct a clone of the customer – a clone that receives the consciousness of the original at the moment of death, granting a new life.


So yes, both of us believe that in order to become a capsuleer, your original body must die.


IMO, that adresses how the capsuleer is revived, not how he becomes a capsuleer. The written lore on becoming a capsuleer is what I quoted from the Jovian wet grave, on how people get implants to plug to the capsule.

The new video just tries to unify capsuleers and dusties for marketing reasons, and goes as far as depicting the pod as a glorified HUD rather than what the lore says about it. I don't know wether i got everything wrong, CCP intends to change the lore or just the video was made by the same guys who put lasers on a Raven, but as far as my characters are concerned, they all live in their original bodies, except Ish. Bear

BTW, I foresee a potential big battle with many hands once Laudenum brings the news... as someone said, "a blockade is a target rich environment" to capsuleers.

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Random McNally
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#2282 - 2013-07-01 11:29:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
(Meta: Nooo, we lost Laudenum! She thinks capsuleers must die in order to become capsuleers!* Sad )


* I know it's a lost cause now that the marketing guys are gonna seed the "we die to become capsuleers" meme into everyone who sees the new intro video, but I will keep loyal to the old lore** in which capsuleers are surgically modified so they can plug to a capsule and only become clones in case that it's necessary to burn their brains to transfer their conscience to a clone.

**See: The Jovian wet grave, specifically:

Quote:
(...)

Pirkotan sat thoughtfully, scratching the back of his neck. It was still sore after the operation. While berthed on the Ishukone station Ouriye had encouraged Pirkotan to have neural implants inserted into his spinal cord and cerebellum, saying that it would definitely further his career.

(...)


There you have it. One of the first (and unlucky) capsuleers explicitly telling us what he was required to become a capsuleer: implants to cerebellum and spinal chord. Q.E.D. It's the Dusties who have got a massive implant inside of their brain and the only way to put it there is to grow a clone around it, so they must die in order to transfer their mind to the implanted clone)


And with all due respect, I counter with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZPCiqBLPM8&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1

...and I will add this. http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/scientific-articles/cloning/

with particular attention to this....


Quote:
At the time of purchase, the customer undergoes a thorough examination and several tissue samples are taken. This is then used to construct a clone of the customer – a clone that receives the consciousness of the original at the moment of death, granting a new life.


So yes, both of us believe that in order to become a capsuleer, your original body must die.


IMO, that adresses how the capsuleer is revived, not how he becomes a capsuleer. The written lore on becoming a capsuleer is what I quoted from the Jovian wet grave, on how people get implants to plug to the capsule.

The new video just tries to unify capsuleers and dusties for marketing reasons, and goes as far as depicting the pod as a glorified HUD rather than what the lore says about it. I don't know wether i got everything wrong, CCP intends to change the lore or just the video was made by the same guys who put lasers on a Raven, but as far as my characters are concerned, they all live in their original bodies, except Ish. Bear

BTW, I foresee a potential big battle with many hands once Laudenum brings the news... as someone said, "a blockade is a target rich environment" to capsuleers.


Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

I will always play under the idea that one must be reborn into a capsuleer.

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Yiole Gionglao
#2283 - 2013-07-01 12:54:11 UTC
Random McNally wrote:
(...)

Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

I will always play under the idea that one must be reborn into a capsuleer.


Yes, Random. *purrs*

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Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#2284 - 2013-07-01 13:20:22 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
(...)

Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

I will always play under the idea that one must be reborn into a capsuleer.


Yes, Random. *purrs*


*BLUSH*

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Yiole Gionglao
#2285 - 2013-07-01 13:27:13 UTC
Random McNally wrote:
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
(...)

Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

I will always play under the idea that one must be reborn into a capsuleer.


Yes, Random. *purrs*


*BLUSH*


*Slowly lick-kisses Random's bald, ear to ear*

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an alpha / And so it's you
Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2286 - 2013-07-01 14:05:11 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
(...)

Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

I will always play under the idea that one must be reborn into a capsuleer.


Yes, Random. *purrs*


*BLUSH*


*Slowly lick-kisses Random's bald, ear to ear*


*typical male response is seen and blush fades as there is not nearly enough blood to operate both*

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Yiole Gionglao
#2287 - 2013-07-02 13:02:31 UTC
*Yiole Gionglao tests new apparel just received at her CQ*

Houm, how do they suit me?

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2288 - 2013-07-02 13:07:11 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
*Yiole Gionglao tests new apparel just received at her CQ*

Houm, how do they suit me?




Hmmm Kind of... Maybe they grow on you

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Random McNally
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A Band Apart.
#2289 - 2013-07-02 14:01:30 UTC
Just one more item I'll have to take off of you. Blink

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Zoe Kaltana
Kaltana Industries
#2290 - 2013-07-02 15:29:26 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
*Yiole Gionglao tests new apparel just received at her CQ*

Houm, how do they suit me?

Those new shades give at least +1 in visuals...what do you say, Cass?

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Cassadine Reynolds
Kaltana Industries
#2291 - 2013-07-02 15:31:11 UTC
...wanted a classy teacherous mistress shade...got an 80's style hot shots one...well, this is space...there are no complaints in space, right? Lol

Pinups | Bloodhorses
Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2292 - 2013-07-02 16:03:12 UTC
WTB Yiole naughty librarians glasses....Blink

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2293 - 2013-07-02 19:46:11 UTC
Irony is that Khanid don't have glasses but the Verokhior do, despite they've got built in shades on their eyes.

*A killer gaze from Mizhir to Indah obliterates a gnat caught in the middle*

Ooops... Oops
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2294 - 2013-07-02 19:49:05 UTC
Just stopped in to use the can.




By the way, your out of toilet paper...and im pretty sure the condoms in the machine are expired.

Also, the urinal mints taste funny.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Yiole Gionglao
#2295 - 2013-07-03 13:59:27 UTC
Random McNally wrote:
WTB Yiole naughty librarians glasses....Blink


Naughty librarian...?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an alpha / And so it's you
Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#2296 - 2013-07-03 15:00:22 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
WTB Yiole naughty librarians glasses....Blink


Naughty librarian...?

That'll do! BlinkLol

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The Troll Bridge
#2297 - 2013-07-03 16:52:40 UTC
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
WTB Yiole naughty librarians glasses....Blink


Naughty librarian...?


I think you dropped something...... my jaw.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Yiole Gionglao
#2298 - 2013-07-03 19:50:33 UTC
Houm, apparently indah has got some new friends...Twisted

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an alpha / And so it's you
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2299 - 2013-07-03 19:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Yiole Gionglao wrote:
Houm, apparently indah has got some new friends...Twisted


*blushes, then infuriates*

I totally, completely and absolutley hates you! Evil

*looks again at pictures, blinks dazzled*

Oooh... Does someone know the number of the first guy on the second row...? And the second on the first row? And the...?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2300 - 2013-07-03 22:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
The Fazmarai cousins walked along the corridor where The Grater Fool Bar was located, and upon reaching it, they were met by a closed door with a sign saying:

The Greater Fool Bar public notice: we're closed because of a Private Party

- What? -said Indahmawar...
- What? -said Ishtanchuk...

After checking the door, it was obvious that the sign was right. Ishtanchuk looked for her master key while she asked Indahmawar to cehkc the staff log.

- Hum, they've all been given a day off...
- Well, let's find someone who can explain.

The Fazmarai cousins entered the bar, lit only by emergency lighting. Some of the lights turned on authomatically when they sensed movement and Indahmawar identified the bulky shape movign donwstairs. Nermal the ressurrected sabretooth had been genetically engineered to minimze his tendency to jump on his masters, something just sensible to do with what were essentially 400 kilograms of exctinct giant cat; but notheless Nermal was enthusiastic about meeting his master again, and leaped elegantly over two tables just to prove a point. The sound he made when he landed merely half a meter away from Indah would had stop her heart if she didn't knew his precission and agility, and as the giant beast started purring, she embraced his massive head, not minding the sabre fangs.

- Nermal, Nermal, I've missed you too! Come say hello to Ishtanchuk!
- Well, apparently you're liking to have this pet, don't you? -laughed Ishtanchuk, as Nermal turned around and exposed his belly for some energic rubbing.- Well, stay here, i'm gonna check the place, OK?

Ishtanchuk's knowledge of the Bar was a bit superficial as she just had seen it a few times before leaving and never saw it open to the public, and so she had some trouble orienting herself. When she heard a strange noise from behind a door, she went to investigate and entered the billiard games room. All lights were off but the lamps on a billiard table, and Ishtanchuk was mildly shocked to see a nude man sleeping on it, partially wrapped in a towel.

- Oh, come on, Strip Calvinball? Is that what they've been doing? -muttered to herself.

On the table, Kirjava was partially awake, aware that Mizhir had left a while ago and also that a billiard table wasn't the comfiest bed in town. He heard some heels tapping and closing in to the table, and then saw a short Khanid woman by the table. He didn't knew her, but there was something familiar with her nose, and then he reminded a name.

- Ishtanchuk Fazmarai? Are you Indah's cousin?
- Use to be. Who are you?
- Oh, my apologies. My name is Kirjava and I... well... looks like i should just wrap that towel and go to my appartment, doesn't it?

Kirjava turned on his dearest smile as he stood up, but wether Ish was impressed by what she saw, or she even noticed, she didn't even blink. Kirjava refrained from stretching out and wrapped himself with the towel, then walked away. He couldn't but agree that, from what could be seen, Ish's bossom certainly was worth its reputation...

Indahmawar met Kirjava as he exited the billiard room and he nodded as a greeting, but didn't said a word as Indah was shocked to see him strolling around dressed in a towel.

- What's going on? -asked Indahmawar.
- Apparently Yiole set up one of her Strip Calvinball games here. Hang me if I know wether that dude lost or won...
- Shall we open the bar?
- No, don't bother the employees... do you know wether there is some appartment set for me?
- The one across the hallway, in front of mine. It's been empty since you left.
- I never used it, actually... will have to get some Robo-Aides place my baggage there.
- Did you bring it? -said Indah, with a hint of hope in her voice
- I plan to stay around here for a while... I've moved my ships to a nearby system too, and have been keeping the Nightmare in "hot" state since I heard of that blockade... could skip it with the Silent Runner, though. But God help them if they ever hurt someone.
- H. gave them a beating while he was taking me out of the system... but I also have used some stealthiness to bypass it. They're looking for capsuleers specifically.
- We'll have to research on that. Now, is there something we can have for breakfast?
- Probably, but you know I'm not very good cooking stuff...
- Heh. That's why I always travel with a cooking application for my Robo-Aides...

As they walked upstairs to test Indah's pantry and kitchen, Ishtanchuk turned around to look at the empty, dark place. Albeit not exactly eager, she was curious to see it working on, full of patrons and stories...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you