Player Features and Ideas Discussion

T3 industrials then. Let people customize how they see fit. I realize you might not want to do it now, but these ships are boring and have one fit....max expanded cargo mods. Add that to the massive amount of hauling we do in the game, new cargo roles wold be a huge gameplay boost.

I guess I'm just not seeing how these changes will accomplish the goal of getting more people flying these ships.

The mining barge rebalance worked; I loved it. All of a sudden, there was a reason not to go straight from mining frigate to retriever to hulk, while at the same time not relegating the previous kings of the pile to obscurity. This proposed hauler balance seems to me to be taking what was done for the mining barges and grafting the process on to haulers.

The problem is, haulers and barges have one huge difference that gums up the works. The barges were all ORE ships and the haulers are race-specific. In combination with the skill requirement changes, this proposal even further waters down the choices for players. Because all the haulers will be identical (more or less) in terms of role and skill requirements, players continue with the post-Odyssey practice of picking the best (i.e. max cargo) hauler for the job. Granted, players did this before Odyssey, but not to the same extent.

The previous requirement to cross-train, and the differing levels of racial industrial skill required, meant that one did see a variation in haulers. As a Caldari pilot, for example, I didn't want to take the time to cross-train into an Itty V, so I stuck with my Badger II. My PI alt(s) trained into the best hauler for their race because I didn't want to take any more time away from training my main, etc. Now, there's no reason not to go for an Itty V, regardless of race. This will be true post rebalance.

Please explain how and why people will be using any of the other haulers? What we'll see is players flying one each of the best max cargo hauler, the best tanky hauler and the best speedy hauler and that's it.

In other words, haulers will look like pre-rebalance mining barges.

Additionally, why are T2 haulers not being rebalanced at the same time as the T1s? Surely the pros outweigh the cons? If the T2 haulers are left as is for an indeterminate length of time, hat will create it's own set of problems. The barges, T1 and T2, were rebalanced at the same time, why not T1 and T2 haulers? There aren't that many T2 hauler variants, and doing them all as a single package would seem to be better rather than worse.

Finally, the stated reason for changing the mammoth is simply not acceptable. The art department doesn't like the look of it, so out it goes? Really? Since none of these changes require changing ship models, what earthly reason is there for consulting the art department at all?

I know there isn't enough people in this tread saying they want the mammoth to be on top so I will add my "voice" to the outcry. I want my mammoth to stay on top where it belongs. Now that I got that out of the way, about the original topic.


The first thing you mentioned is that there were more than 4 hulls and you wanted to make a change which would entice people to fly other hulls. This change will not do that for me. The only reason I would fly those other hulls is if I did hauling missions, which right now are not worth the time. For me the few times I am carrying something worth ganking me for I am doing it in a non-hauler hull anyway.

EDIT: Ok I guess there was enough outcry...

People were reacting to this the same way Vaga frills were reacted to because for a lot of us, it's on the same level.

I'm glad to see that the matter has been corrected. Tell the Art department that if they think the Mammoth is so hideous, they are the Art Department. As long as the general spirit and flavor of the Mammoth isn't trampled on too much, I think the outcry might be able to remain at a dull roar.

I said some other things in this thread, and I'll hang around more to see if they're addressed later on.



The Navy Comet won't be changed back. CCP already said that it doesn't make sense for a Navy ship to have Civilian colors. They also hinted that perhaps at some point a Police Comet might be available to acquire, somehow.

Woot!

So what you are saying is that if I get enough likes that you will get rid of the racial industrials for ORE ones. Perfect! To Twitter and the blogosphere!

Replacing racial industrials with ORE ones would certainly fix the problem. Just make three of them, convert all existing indy BPs to the appropriate ORE versions, replace all the industrial skills with ORE industrial at the same level, replace all the ships, etc etc...

A lot of work, to be sure, but really the best possible solution. Although it does remove the Mammoth, so our victory would be lost... ..but it would be replaced by a bigger victory instead, perhaps.

"But Alvatore, what about the freighters?"
Leave the freighters alone. Since the ORE Industrial skill would replace racial industrial skills, it would also replace the racial industrial skills in the freighter trees. Then we can continue to have our shiny brand-new V3'd freighter models that are already balanced fairly well and have nice racial flavor. Plus, since they're capital ships, this would mean that crosstraining them would speed up just like for the other capitals.

This will, of course, probably never happen. It's not a bannable offense to dream, though...

There there Fozzie we still like you despite your trolling ways ... i enjoy some light trolling myself so long as it is in jest :)

Cross-trained Minmatar haulers just to fly the "ugly" mammoth

Regardless the model, can you make the extra minmatar hauler not suck so badly compared to all the others? It has worse agility and capacity than the iterons, is barely larger than wreathe yet much slower. Is that intentional?