Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well I get the balance of the T1 haulers. The ones with more cargo have to go higher. I'm thinking around 48,000 m3 with t2 rigs (just under the 50,000 threshold). Understand that these haulers are used in more places than just highsec. And people hate taking 30 trips to haul something.

In addition, I would relook at the deep space transport with this iteration right now also. I would suggest that the deep space transport double its hold size (in respect to these new t1 ships), but it be broken into two separate holds. So it can hold double the amount of a t1, but can't hold anything else differently than a t1 can hold (so no battleship hulls on the deep space transports). This would improve the use of the deep space transport, reward those who use them by cutting their duty use times in half as they can haul that much more.

The hold divide goes like this.

If the itty 5 rigged and expanded is at 39000, then the DST would get 2 holds, both equal to 39000 each. Not one giant hold, but two separate holds (similar to how the orca works).

The Deep Space Transports need to be reviewed with these ships also

This guy suggested the same thing, but is much clearer than me.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3022374

I see where most of this is going, and it makes sense. That said, I feel a need to add another echo into the mix about keeping the Mammoth as the Minmatar capacity-role industrial.

Also, since it's not been asked, what's the deal with removing the utility high from all of the capacity-role ships? (I'd assume most people put a cloak and tractor, tractor and salvager, etc.)

All hail the new bestower!! Down with the gallente! Amarr victor!

I admit that I do not understand why specialization for races is bad.

With the entry requirements dropped as they have been, anyone can turn around and step into any of these ships. When the only way to access the Iteron Mark V was to train Gallente Industry to V I understood why you wanted to make sure that there was a viable, somewhat closely resembled choice for players. People tended not to learn about the different options until they were somewhat vested in what they were flying.

However, the different races being good at particular things even to the point of a highly specialized Gallente industrial ship is a good thing. It adds an interesting aspect and facet to the races. The "we don't care you can fly this and make it work" from the Caldari state makes sense. Their focuses are elsewhere and their ship yards reflect their focuses. That gives uniqueness and appeal to the various classes to people that care about that. And that, in my opinion, is what is missing in the reflections of 'some racial flavor'.

Be bold and say, "This is what they do and they are cool with it."

The player base is going to go for the best (biggest option) for the most part. Look at the flood of Iteron V's. If people are going to care about numbers they are going to care about numbers. One singular ship will rise to the top time and time again. It seems like this fight for flavor should be more focused in the lore and aspects of the classes instead of trying to fight against players who are going to min/max the moment they run the numbers and present you with the best option. That best option will then be splashed across the internet and it will become the staple for people who are only flying this for the best option. Creating four clones of each other with differences of a few hundred k m3 isn't going to make anything more interesting.

I don't really understand this homogenization where every race can pretty much do what the others do maybe a bit better on this side. It seemed interesting when particular races were announced as being good at X and other races were their hard counter of Y but enough flexibility in the middle to give birth to creativity instead of squabbling over choices based off of which hull is the most attractive. With the low cost of entry for industrial ships making them unique and interesting against their fellows could be a lot of fun without harming people through training.

About extra roles: Just give them to the Gallente. This concern " giving them a job that was interesting and valuable but only available for Gallente and Minmatar felt unfair" is completely without merit. There is nothing unfair about recognizing that the best race in eve is the best. It sort of like saying its unfair to give the fastest driver in a race a trophy.

But if you must be equal: If you want to add extra roles like "fitting service", "fleet hangar" and "specialized cargo" to use up all the extra interons: Add 2 or 3 new ships to the other races just by adding a II or a III to the names of existing ships and use the same models. That would get five roles and five industrials for each race with not too much work.

Can we get a statement from Art about why they picked Hoarder over Mammoth?

Another vote for "save the (soon to be extinct) Mammoth"
-The word "mammoth" sounds more capacious than "hoarder"
-The ship model is bigger. Nice symmetry to it.

Decision makes no sense without more information.
*Sadface*

Pretty disappointing. Seems like a 5 minute meeting was had in between talks about the AT.

And now saying T2 industrials are going to be last as well. You guys don't seem to have any idea how much of the daily life of EVE is based around people moving stuff around the universe.

For example current Badger I max skills cargo rigs, T2 expanders 12,748 m3, your figure for new Badger I 18,588 m3.

I was going to say it takes some training to get into an Itty 5 but of course its doesn't any more which reinforces my feeling that it will soon be a little too easy and cheap to haul a lot of stuff .

I would love a t1 hauler with a specialized PI hold (maybe around 50k or so) along with a normal 20-30k hold for anything else.

Just another voice for the Mammoth being the Minmatar cargo-capacity T1 over the Hoarder. The Hoarder is quite hideous and should be decommissioned.