Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not sure the agility bonused ones are agile enough to make the bonus worth while - even a battleship without a sensor booster should be able to lock them before they warp.

For such cheap hulls they all appear to haul a lot now.

Too much. Maybe you can use them for cheap mineral hauling. But put 15 Tech2 frigs in these ships and THEY WILL get ganked.
Let us be honest: You use cloaky tech2 haulers for expensive stuff and everything with aligh time high like hell isn´t worth the time.
I already use red frog only for bigger stuff because my tech2 bustard is simply so slow that it hurts my nerves too much.
I really don´t know for what you need a Tech1 hauler with that cargo hold.
Throw 2 bcs in them? Will get prolly ganked by some catalysts^^
Somehow I miss the sense for the slower ships with bigger cargohold here.

This all makes too much sense. I don't have anything original to say any more.

T2 Industrials kinda cover the fast aspect with the blockade runners (they align like a frigate), freighters kind of occupy the tanky/big role, but the last 3 are interesting things that could be done with the T1 industrials. In fact, they do rather nicely match up...

Iteron Mk2 has the vents on the side that make it look like an ore hauler.
Iteron Mk3 has what look like pressurized canisters and would suit gas.
Iteron Mk4 naturally falls into the ice slot.
Hoarder looks most suited to being a fitting service/fleet hanger (two go hand in hand, really)- I'd support others wanting the Mammoth being the 'main' large industrial while I'm sure art would love to have the Hoarder be extra-special like that.



Well, there's already a strong precedent with the Scorpion being the only EWAR battlecruiser, but it's also a pretty moot point now that all the industrials only require level 1- it's hardly any bother to train into. Given the class already has issues with homogenisation, all the more reason to allow some races to be 'special' and try to have more differentiators, rather than trying to have equivalents with minor, meaningless variations which is causing the homogenisation.

I agree with this, the Mammoth is SEXY and should stay the biggest Minmatar industrial.

They are the reason I went with Minmatar Indy and not Gallante or Amarr.

Bestower can hold more than an Impel? Lol. What a waste of my ISK.

Mammoth should get the biggest Minmatar cargohold, it just screams for it. It looks so sexy as opposed to the buttugly Hoarder.

But those changes seem ok. I like that.

you mean the 4 that have had cargo increases? With 3 of those being fairly minor, only the Badger Mk 2 being substantial?

Or did you misread the numbers, which have a baseline, and then the fully fitted version.




Indeed. But I think it would be interesting to have single purpose ships that can do each one separately. It means the Orca has its place, but you can run something smaller and cheaper, in an appropriate situation.

I don't know exactly which numbers you are focusing on, but there should be no increase in t1 indie cargo capability as a class.

The old (current) Iteron 5 had 6000m3 base cargo, which translated to about 38500m3 cargo with expanders, level 5 indie skill, and expander rigs. The only new industrial to exceed that is the Bestower, which only does so by about 700m3 with the fully expanded version.

It may feel like a lot of increase capacity since before it was only available to Iteron 5 (which was over 10k expanded hold ahead of all the rest), and now its available to 4 ships. Or it may be that you're reading the numbers wrong =p

Clarification: he means that the "tanky" hauler line will have 50% more EHP than the Ity5 had.

By the time you put a DCU II and some bulkheads on one of those haulers they'll have quite a lot of EHP with no particular resist hole and very limited skill requirements.

The decision to use the hoarder instead of the mammoth for the minmatars bulk hauler disappoints me. The hull just looks better