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Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#361 - 2013-06-04 17:55:05 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc.

An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#362 - 2013-06-04 18:25:57 UTC
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc.

An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING.

You did not use the exact term, but you did imply it by description.

Theodore Giumbix wrote:
I think pathetic are those who do camp AFK in a game and I think they have a raelly low life in RL too. But this thread is not about who I consider being pathetic or not.

It's about EVE mechanics and that you should no be able to do anything in this game without sacrificing your RL TIME! that's all.

It is true Teckos introduced the term first, but the context for it was provided by you.

As you described a condition where another player was causing distress, and then claiming this was not good gameplay to do so over extended periods, it is hardly a big jump to shorten and define it as grief play.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Theodore Giumbix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#363 - 2013-06-04 18:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodore Giumbix
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I am saddened by the fact that you have now used all the wild, desperate arguments: Claiming exploits, griefing, imbalance, unfairness, etc.

An argument can't be desperate and I never used griefing argument. Better read what I write next time before REPLYING.

You did not use the exact term, but you did imply it by description.

Theodore Giumbix wrote:
I think pathetic are those who do camp AFK in a game and I think they have a raelly low life in RL too. But this thread is not about who I consider being pathetic or not.

It's about EVE mechanics and that you should no be able to do anything in this game without sacrificing your RL TIME! that's all.

It is true Teckos introduced the term first, but the context for it was provided by you.

As you described a condition where another player was causing distress, and then claiming this was not good gameplay to do so over extended periods, it is hardly a big jump to shorten and define it as grief play.

If the shoe fits, wear it.



Nope you got it all wrong.
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, ...

As you see I have no problem with peoples flying cloaky ships in space and harassing other people 24/7 aka GRIEFERS. I do respect, like and sometimes even enjoy this type of gameplay.

We established earlier that a cloaky AFK pilot can not be called a GRIEFER, because by definition GRIEFER = "a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable", and AFK != "devotes much of his time".
So the last type of people I said I find pathetic not the GRIEFERS.

Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.

Yo, New Eden, got capsuleers in da house. What's up? And their pimped rides. Yo, capsuleer, if ya want me to unpimp your ride, lemme hear ya say Wat?
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#364 - 2013-06-04 19:29:32 UTC
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
Nope you got it all wrong.
Theodore Giumbix wrote:
I have no problem with that hostile vessel being present in my system and being cloaky, I just want the pilot of that vessel to be at his PC while that vessel is cloaky in space, ...

As you see I have no problem with peoples flying cloaky ships in space and harassing other people 24/7 aka GRIEFERS. I do respect, like and sometimes even enjoy this type of gameplay.

We established earlier that a cloaky AFK pilot can not be called a GRIEFER, because by definition GRIEFER = "a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable", and AFK != "devotes much of his time".
So the last type of people I said I find pathetic not the GRIEFERS.

Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.

How weak of an argument is that?

What would you suggest is the solution to this? Would that be placing the equivalent of a timer on cloaked vessels?
How long would they have with no keystrokes before being flagged AFK and bounced?

Your argument is flawed from that direction too.
You cannot know they are not at their keyboard, you simply assume this since that is how you would expect them to behave under those circumstances.
And if you actually believe them if they tell you they are AFK, you should know I am AFK while posting this too.

And cloaked.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Jade III
Sebiestor Tribe
#365 - 2013-06-04 19:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade III
Azrael Dinn wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Why would we sticky a topic about something that isn't even an issue


Cause your stupid enough not the see an issue where there is an issue doesn't mean that there isn't an issue there.

Yes make this sticky. People talk about it alot. It is a topic that raises over and over again meaning there is an issue here.


no, there are too many stickies on the first page. I don't want a few ideas by us pilots on the first page, I want alot. You can ask CCP VERY NICELY to make this idea integrated in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread that thread.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#366 - 2013-06-04 22:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Heavy whipping cream in your coffee is awesome...and using a cloak to stay safe while going to make some is also awesome.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#367 - 2013-06-04 22:21:54 UTC
Jade III wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Why would we sticky a topic about something that isn't even an issue


Cause your stupid enough not the see an issue where there is an issue doesn't mean that there isn't an issue there.

Yes make this sticky. People talk about it alot. It is a topic that raises over and over again meaning there is an issue here.


no, there are too many stickies on the first page. I don't want a few ideas by us pilots on the first page, I want alot. You can ask CCP VERY NICELY to make this idea integrated in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6342&find=unread that thread.


That thread is useless in regards to AFK Cloaking as it already has commonly proposed ideas regarding AFK Cloaking and people still post the same tired old arguments, often leading with:

Quote:
I did a search, and couldn't find this idea on dealing with AFK cloaking.....


In fact, last thread I just read on it, it was a variation on the above,

Quote:
I don't know if it has been proposed before...


I stopped there and replied, "Yes." Then I finished reading the post, went to google and straightaway found 2 threads proposing very similar ideas.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#368 - 2013-06-04 22:26:12 UTC
Quote:
Some of you keep replying to my posts without even reading them properly just to troll me and spam in this thread and I think this kind of behavior is forbidden in this forum.


Yo Kreskin...err Theodore.

My point in highlight the section from the policies section of the website was not really about grief play, but about the portion highlighting that Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place and that non-consensual PvP is a part of the game that is to be expected. Hence claims about AFK cloakers ruining your game are insufficient basis for demanding a change...one which CCP has already signalled they really will never make (i.e. nerfing cloaks given the present capabilities of local as an intel source).

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mag's
Azn Empire
#369 - 2013-06-05 13:20:56 UTC
Found this cloaked on page 3. Shocked

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#370 - 2013-06-05 13:56:44 UTC
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#371 - 2013-06-05 22:20:44 UTC
Help, I've fallen to page 3 and can't get up!

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#372 - 2013-06-06 10:51:41 UTC
Back up top for you.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#373 - 2013-06-06 10:58:52 UTC
Only boobs belong on Page 3 and only in The Sun! Back you go to Page 1 you sexy beast of a thread you Roll

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#374 - 2013-06-06 20:47:56 UTC
I decloak for boobs.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#375 - 2013-06-06 20:52:42 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
I decloak for boobs.


And so say we all Blink

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#376 - 2013-06-07 05:15:56 UTC
For God's sake...coming up with something other than bump is rather tough at times...

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#377 - 2013-06-07 06:39:21 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
For God's sake...coming up with something other than bump is rather tough at times...

Attach weather balloons to topic, watch it rise.
Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#378 - 2013-06-07 11:03:56 UTC
Confirming I'm a cloaky camper who thinks cloaky camping is just a little bit OP. Really though, if you can't mine veldspar without being at the computer, why should you be able to harvest tears without being at the computer?

Hey, I use the mechanic. It's broken as **** though.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#379 - 2013-06-07 11:51:21 UTC
I fly mostly cloakers.
But i play.
Why would someone be able to win without playing?
We laugh, we troll... but someday it will happen. The horrid day when CCp will put a timer on cloak, and fat wanky nerds will learn there's life outside the game. We will see some suicides. CCP will also get best marketing: the negative one. Oh, do you guys think they don't have marketing plans? There's always a Blonde, and, yeah, always in Marketing Department. Oh, sorry...i forgot. Nerds only see blondes in specific pictures, and this makes them think those are mythological beasts, like the Monster Of Loch Ness. Nerds, you will learn one day: Blonde Monsters can hurt you. In time, it always happen.Lol
Mag's
Azn Empire
#380 - 2013-06-07 14:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Vicata Heth wrote:
Confirming I'm a cloaky camper who thinks cloaky camping is just a little bit OP. Really though, if you can't mine veldspar without being at the computer, why should you be able to harvest tears without being at the computer?

Hey, I use the mechanic. It's broken as **** though.
But which mechanic are they actually using to, as you say, 'harvest' these tears?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.