EVE General Discussion

It's not something that traditionally appeals to women, there's a stigma attached as well as the fact that there's not much character customisation after the creation screen.

if you want more women to play this game, you need avatar interaction within stations and vanity items for them.

Sad but true :(

We can't.

Let's face it, most of use have never met a real girl. How the heck do you think you can attract one to the game? Might as well try to attract a rhino into subbing for all the ability most of you have in social interaction with someone who isn't a fellow basement dwelling neckbeard.

Mr Epeen

my Wife plays but not very often. She does it whenever I ask her to do some missioning/mining or something together. I'm mostly managing her skills since thats boring to her. Beats me how to attract women to it. Wife says to add ponies. (that was a joke) she thinks its clunky and it needs face to face interaction and less ships.

At least I have a wife that games (beats me how I was lucky enough to meet a gaming wife)

This doesn't even need to happen in EVE. Take a woman who's tried voice comms in a sewer like XBox Live, and tell them that voice comms are nearly mandatory in EVE, and what happens? Right. Even if she does give EVE the old college try, it only takes one guy with issues to reinforce the experience that voice comms mean harassment.



Yeah, the changes to the game itself that get proposed fall into the "make a pink version" category. Even women who like pink can see the condescension dripping off the design.

In this case, the problem is (sub)cultural.

Clearly we need affirmative action and subsidized PLEX for female players.

I'm sure there are many feminists who would be happy to litigate, err help, CCP over this.

I find it quite amusing how CCP spending resources on the Incarna project was widely considered by the playerbase to be a monumental waste of time, yet people now complain that EVE doesn't cater to women.

Player interaction in EVE is mostly limited to a chatbox with 2D portrait images, and more often than not, being on the wrong end of someone's blaster cannons. The vast majority of players in high-sec are just doing their own thing even when in player corps, and you have to look quite hard to find some cooperative content without all the baggage that comes with joining a nullsec alliance or a PvP corp. As you're learning the ropes of the game, you're constantly getting the feeling that EVE is a very asocial game. Comparing that to the mainstream MMOs, where you can be doing group PvE that actually encourages teaming up with players very early on into the game, it's not surprising at all that EVE has a very bad retention rate for female players. Proper Incarna™ (the one with actual social interaction) would have helped massively here, but it's you, the 96%, that wouldn't have any of it, so deal with it.

The only troll here is you, my dear, putting words in my mouth that couldn't be further from what I said.

It has nothing to do with women lacking a hard skin, but rather with the fact that we value socializing and cooperative play more than men do. And don't get me wrong, you can find that in EVE, it just takes a lot more effort than it does in most other MMOs, due to the way the game is designed.

I've tried to get the wife interested in EvE, she has no interest what so ever. She prefers that other game & Farmville.

Edit: I asked her again and she said it's a - "cutthroat, male testosterone dominated game and it just seems full of griefing and hatred." - direct quote.

She elaborated some more but that's the cliff notes version.

considering Iceland's current political trend seems to be to prevent Gender inequality even at the cost of personal freedom, i wouldn't be surprised if the push came from up above instead of the sides.

even when i agree with the sentiment, i cant agree with the Means. maybe i just value personal freedoms too much. the weird thing is that Iceland is one of the top countries when it comes to women's access to education, business and political activity... so all i can say is that im puzzled by Icelandic politics. fixing stuff that's not broken is never a good idea.

but even if outside pressure was put on CCP, i cant think of a game that needs such intervention less than this one. eve hates everyone, regardless of where you are from, or your gender. and my guess is that it is because of that "harsh" nature that women are even more paranoid than usual about revealing personal details.

and no, neither eve needs affirmative action nor evil "feminists" will raid your village, so chill and please go make me a sandwich while you are at it.

I can't begin to speak for all women, but I can give you one woman's perspective.

First of all, I'm a 49 yr rl straight female IT professional. I have been playing MMORPG's since the very beginning, from MUD's, Meridian 59, UO, EQ, AC(Darktide).... SWG, WoW... and many others. I've been a SciFi/Fantasy fan from the moment I learned to read, and I love Eve. I've PvP'd thru many of these games,and I enjoy it. So with that said, I've probably already broken every stereotype i've seen uttered on these forums.

What i can tell you is what I believe many women don't like - and it has little to do with CCP and the game in general.

Yes, this game is predominately male.. personally, I rather enjoy that and I believe many women would. However, I've been in many voice and text chat channels where it's automatically assumed that everyone in the channel is male. I also have a slightly(not abnormally) lower than average voice for a woman, and even when I do speak in channel it's assumed I'm male, which is pretty funny - just goes to show how expectations influence perception.
At any rate, I've FREQUENTLY heard many both objectifying and disparaging remarks about women.

Personally, this doesn't bother me - I've found It's rather indicative of guys with **** poor self esteem who need to somehow flaunt large epeen at the other guys in the room. I'm used to playing and working in male dominated arenas. I don't however feel inclined to really buddy up with guys who act this way.. I'd rather play with people who are going to focus on the game, or friendships/camaraderie within the game. I'm very sure this makes many women uncomfortable. Oh and by the way, gents, if you're looking to attract girls... this is a huge turnoff ;)

I play solo about 70% of the time, not because I don't enjoy the company of others, but because my job and time constraints make it hard to fleet up for long.

So.. long and short of it... if you want to attract more women to this game, encourage your male friends who tend towards misogynistic behavior(and you know the ones I mean) to not be such douchebags.

In terms of game mechanics... the only thing I can say is many female gamers I know prefer cooperative team play rather than competitive... there's certainly alot of both in EVE... I'd just promote that more perhaps.