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New dev blog: Introducing New Nebulae into EVE

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John Frohike
Revival.
OnlyFleets.
#181 - 2011-11-04 01:53:58 UTC
Looks sweet and has a meaningful function, double win.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#182 - 2011-11-04 02:14:05 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

The concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do.

However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!

Instead of a separate download, high-res backgrounds should be possible to download on-demand. Turning on an option of some sort could make the client download skyboxes of much higher resolution for the region you are in.

This could also be extended to provide more granularity, e.g. if you're flying around in The Forge it will download per-constellation backgrounds in that area. And if making backgrounds for _ALL_ constellation takes too much time, at least make them for the most popular regions of space.

E.g. 4 extra images for the Jita and the different directions would impact quite a lot of people.

Nyan
Maul555
Xen Investments
#183 - 2011-11-04 02:52:12 UTC
omg awesomesauce! But please do get around to giving wormholers some lovin too Blink
Oberine Noriepa
#184 - 2011-11-04 03:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
It actually changes between constellations, not systems, right now. But like stated in the blog, many constellations share the same nebula.

The concern for our choice of granularity has been noted, we won't make drastic changes to the system or the assets before the winter release, but this is obviously something many are concerned with and we'll examine what we can do.

However, I encourage you to check it out on Singularity ( or TQ once it ships ) before making final judgements!

Instead of a separate download, high-res backgrounds should be possible to download on-demand. Turning on an option of some sort could make the client download skyboxes of much higher resolution for the region you are in.

This could also be extended to provide more granularity, e.g. if you're flying around in The Forge it will download per-constellation backgrounds in that area. And if making backgrounds for _ALL_ constellation takes too much time, at least make them for the most popular regions of space.

E.g. 4 extra images for the Jita and the different directions would impact quite a lot of people.

Making it on-demand would increase server stress, and the servers already deal with a lot to begin with. I would definitely prefer a separate and optional patch for more cube maps.

I've been playing EVE for almost a year, and one of the first things I felt that could be improved were the nebulae. I was pleasantly surprised to find out not too long after my personal comment that efforts were, indeed, being made (and still are being made) to improve them. I'm very excited to see these in Singularity. Big smile

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#185 - 2011-11-04 03:12:17 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Making it on-demand would increase server stress, and the servers already deal with a lot to begin with. I would definitely prefer a separate and optional patch for more cube maps.

No it wouldn't.

No more than you browsing a porn site while playing would stress the EVE servers.

Nyan
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#186 - 2011-11-04 03:20:21 UTC
Imigo Montoya wrote:
I'm liking the change but I'm not entirely sure I like the relationship between natural phenomenon and security status (and to a lesser extent racial colour). It seems a bit arbitrary and slightly counter-intuitive.

While the racial colour thing kind of makes sense (nations base their colour schemes on the local surroundings), I would have thought that the over-populated urban sprawl of high-sec would be more dark and grey, where the vast wilderness and freedom of nullsec would have more vibrant and bright colours. Think Los Angeles vs the Amazon Jungle, or New York vs Madagascar.

I think that might even be a psychological queue that would encourage more people to explore beyond the boundaries of highsec. Food for thought at the very least.

I'm not trolling, but... to my mind, it makes perfect sense in a 'lore' respect... While I can concur that having more 'beautiful' or at least 'less scary' looking regions out there would encourage people to go exploring -- that in itself, in my mind, is the very reason why hisec looks so 'nice'... Those were the areas that the initial explorers from the EVE gate were attracted to and settled in.

The harsh 'scary' places were left til later... ;)
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
#187 - 2011-11-04 03:20:38 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:

So you will be downloading 201 megs, which are then compressed, I can't tell you the exact compressed size at this time. The maps were authored at twice the resolution we are delivering them in, and they are compressed. Ofc, they look much better uncompressed and in full resolution, so we might offer those as an optional download at some point in the future, for the die hard astronomy addicts with space on their hard drives and video ram to spare.


Yes please!

Witcher 2 was what, 15gb download? I think a lot of folks could handle the larger textures if offered, that would be great (same goes for ship textures too :-)

Nebula's look fantastic and love the mechanics of how they have been implemented, bravo.

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Sassums
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#188 - 2011-11-04 03:25:35 UTC
How come Wormhole Space is not going to be altered by these changes?
joomla alacard
Indifferent Bastards
#189 - 2011-11-04 04:07:12 UTC
I can't wait to see this implemented! Big smile

This, along with the other recent dev blog posts has me excited for the next (few?) update(s)!
Yvan Ratamnim
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2011-11-04 04:07:31 UTC
cause its UNKNOWN SPACE what are they gonna do make a billion different astronomical things to make each unknown space look different since ther einside WORMHOLES! i'd say inside wormholes shud be pitch black with a small spark of stars to breakt he darkness
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Alexylva Paradox
#191 - 2011-11-04 04:55:10 UTC
I've always wanted EVE to have this. Although I still dream of the day where every sytem will have it's own unique cubemap, this is a good step in that direction.

One of the first things for customization should be the EVE gate, as it should be visible from the Amarr homeworlds, IIRC.

This is one of the few things that makes me love EVE a bit more, since the cancelation/postponing of Incarna/WiS.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#192 - 2011-11-04 05:10:14 UTC
I love what we're getting, and the teaser that it might be possible to get higher rez versions later is awesome :)

In a perfect world we'd have a separate texture for each star system, a star field consisting of only the stars in the EVE cluster, etc. But I'll take these new nebulas as a wonderful advance on the current skyboxes :)

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Lolmer
Merciless Reckoning
#193 - 2011-11-04 05:32:20 UTC
Yvan Ratamnim wrote:
cause its UNKNOWN SPACE what are they gonna do make a billion different astronomical things to make each unknown space look different since ther einside WORMHOLES! i'd say inside wormholes shud be pitch black with a small spark of stars to breakt he darkness


They're not inside the wormhole, the wormhole only connects one system to the next, much as a stargate does now. Note that you can even reach other known space (k-space) systems via wormholes, that doesn't mean k-space is inside a wormhole.

Please learn how things work before offering commentary.
Phoehnix
Swiss Tax Avoidance Bank Inc
#194 - 2011-11-04 06:24:27 UTC
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:
The Cloud Ring, the Cauldron, Vapor Sea. These are large stellar objects that span multiple light years. Magnificent astronomical phenomena that evoke a sense of awe and beauty.


So I'm guessing this means all the other places too like Ginnungagap, Pool of radiance etc?
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
#195 - 2011-11-04 06:49:54 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
Well done CCP, I think wormhole explo will be more fun too as you'll have an idea where you wh exits go in HS before you jump!


They already to do some extent, The color of the wormhole usually is a good indicator of where it leads.
Flavan
Church of the Jovian Space Turtles
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#196 - 2011-11-04 06:56:52 UTC
Someone may have said this already, but personally I'd prefer more blackness and darkness - it's space after all.
But any improvement is good.
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Infinion
Awesome Corp
#197 - 2011-11-04 07:15:16 UTC
Are there any plans to change how we transit between two cube maps when jumping or will we always teleport from map A to B?
Oberine Noriepa
#198 - 2011-11-04 07:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Making it on-demand would increase server stress, and the servers already deal with a lot to begin with. I would definitely prefer a separate and optional patch for more cube maps.

No it wouldn't.

No more than you browsing a **** site while playing would stress the EVE servers.

Except with an on-demand system, it would be distributing data for thousands of users at a time, and that bandwidth could be used for better things that are more relevant to gameplay. Assets for online games are usually pre-loaded before any sort of live interaction between the player and environment occurs. This is done to ensure a smoother playing experience.

Imagine jumping into a system containing 1000 players who all jump into the system around the same time. Before ever having to deal with player input, the server would have to distribute cube maps to every player's client first. Each cube map is 3 MB in size. With a system containing 1000 players, the server would have to distribute nearly 3 GB worth of data, which just isn't practical when the server could be used for more important things. It's more efficient to have assets on the user's side than on the server's side.

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#199 - 2011-11-04 08:13:49 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Making it on-demand would increase server stress, and the servers already deal with a lot to begin with. I would definitely prefer a separate and optional patch for more cube maps.

No it wouldn't.

No more than you browsing a **** site while playing would stress the EVE servers.

Except with an on-demand system, it would be distributing data for thousands of users at a time, and that bandwidth could be used for better things that are more relevant to gameplay. Assets for online games are usually pre-loaded before any sort of live interaction between the player and environment occurs. This is done to ensure a smoother playing experience.

Imagine jumping into a system containing 1000 players who all jump into the system around the same time. Before ever having to deal with player input, the server would have to distribute cube maps to every player's client first. Each cube map is 3 MB in size. With a system containing 1000 players, the server would have to distribute nearly 3 GB worth of data, which just isn't practical when the server could be used for more important things. It's more efficient to have assets on the user's side than on the server's side.

No it doesn't.

Distributing static data is a _SOLVED PROBLEM_, no one ever has trouble distributing static data these days. Where the **** do you think you download the client from, or the avatar images? Does that lag your fleet fights?

And on-demand downloads do not need to finish before you jump into a new constellation, as the generic regional background can be used until the download finishes and then next time you enter one of the systems it loads the new one.

There's no technical reasons why they can't implement my suggestion.

Nyan
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2011-11-04 08:24:10 UTC
Love it.

I wish it actually arrives.