Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just ran some tests on this.

• The Typhoon out-damages the Tempest by around 100dps, not accounting for drones.


• When both are armour buffered with 2 damage mods in the lows, the Typhoon beats the Tempest by around 10k EHP.


• When the Tempest is shield tanked and the Typhoon armour tanked both with 2 damage mods then EHP is equal, agility is equal, although speed of the Tempest is greater, but signature rockets 130 above the Typhoons.


• If both are shield tanked then again a reverse of the armour tanking scenario, the Tempest beats the Typhoon by 10k EHP.

Looking at this information I reckon the way to go with the Tempest is either armour active tanked, as you aren't gaining much benefit at all over the Typhoon by armour buffer tanking, or shield buffer tanked if you really want the extra speed shield tanking can give you.

I don't have time to do an active tanking comparison, but based purely upon buffer tanks, both ships seem equal. Where as the Tempest should be better according to CCP Rise to make up for it doing around 100 less dps not accounting the drones.

The two roles I'm thinking of right now for the Tempest will be either an active armour tank, with two heavy neuts perhaps coming in useful, plus the Tempest has a higher cap recharge which gives it an added benefit. Second role could be a nano shield fit Tempest, faster on speed than the Typhoons armour fit, but again lower on the dps, plus the Typhoons missiles are better suited to the nano style of fighting. Much more tests are needed really to confirm any useful role though.

EDIT - also Rise, please give the Tempest some extra PG and CPU, it is difficult to fit this thing, and impossible if you want to use T2 1400mm artillery unless you fit nothing in the high utility slots. CPU is lacking for a close range Autocannon fit with Torpedos, but the PG is the biggest problem for fitting any decent artillery ship. Will only be able to use 1200mm II at best if the PG is not addressed.

I dont know how minmatar players will survive this 1 "subpar" ship from the 30 :( ccp realy hates minmatar

Active armro tank with 2 heavy neuts doe snot compute. You will end up without cap to run either neuts of repairers before you can neutralize a buffer tanked Mega or typhoon... or basically any ship.



The temepst is handas down the weakest of all battleship and the one least useful. Thes changes will help in NOTHING.


CCP just remove the tempest from the game then.

OK I will add a bit more to explain WHY CCP is FAILING onthis balance.


THey THINK a few hundred base HP are worth a LOT on these ships. Its is NOT!!

Put that in your head Rise. 1K HP is NOTHING when your ship has 1 or even 2 less low slots to fit tank than its competitors. A SINGLE plate overdo that SLIGHT HP advantage the temepst have over the megatron by 3 FOLD!!!!



Stick that inside your heads. A few hundred hit poitns do not pay for 1 slot! Do not Pay for having effectively 1 bonus !!! Yes tempest have 1 BONUS ONLY! because the damm hyperion have same number of turrets MORE DRONEs and with a SINGLE bonus if coudl deal way more DPS than the tempest EVEN if the hyperion bonus were for the same projectile guns.




Take your heads out of the SAND! A tempest would be still INFERIOR to MEgatron and Hyperion if It had 7.5% Ros and 5% damage. It would be Still inferior i it has 7.5% rof and 7.5% damage, because it has HORRIBLE Slots, HORRIBLE drone bay!!


AND Its one of the battleships that ALIGNS THE SLOWEST!!!


DAmm I am REALLY angry today tiwht this imrpessive demonstration of nonsense.

Post the fits up and lets EFT warrior them then. :) It is a bit annoying that you have to downgrade the guns on every Tempest fit. I guess it doesn't matter if Tempest puts out more dps though. I wish Rise would just increase the damage bonuses at least and then we would have something really interesting to work with.

I think just a slight damage increase would help the Tempest out more than anything right now. It is quite a challenge to fit and make it work, which is good in a way. Although with its current damage output it feels as though you are not being rewarded for it.

Also the one difference when the Typhoon was armour tanked and the Tempest shield tanked, the Typhoon still has loads of mid slots to play with where as the Tempest has none, power diags in the lows were required to bring the EHP to Typhoon EHP levels, without them it was 10K lower.

I think it will be used a lot like the hurricane, shield and artillery when mids are not heavily required, and active armour tanked for closer range fittings. It is fun to mess around with and looks fun to fly, but right now I feel like there isn't enough reward in terms of performance for using it. Will test it out more though when odyssey is released before making any final judgments.

Pay attention to what corp and alliance I am . You shoudl remember us from fanfest when CCP announced us as 1st alliance in damage during wars. We are Almsot the definition of small scale PVP. And The tempest is HORRIBLE for us, the megatron, hyperion, armageddon, dominix are all better for us.


No tempest is not good for solo PVP!!!

Tempest is not good at anything!! Except looking cool.

We do nto want the tempest to be better at large scale PVP. No one asked that here. That is maelstrom role!!!

But with current layout tempest is HORRIBLE at small scale as well! Its only use relies on its 2 heavy neuts. A role that will be completely taken over by the armageddon!!!

When the only thing a ship coudl do is boosted 10 times over in another ship, that ship becomes obsolete!!


The role of a fast attack tackle and kill battleship is completely overhelmed by the megathron. Its massively superior DPS and slot layout means it can kill its target much faster, and its superior acceleration means it can catch is more easily as well.

There are not exaclty many targets or situatiosn where I would ever prefer a tempest over a megatron. And on those few, the best thing woudl be to go to a cruiser sized ship instead.

The stabber uses OVERSIZED plates or extenders to supplement EHP that is on average, high for ships with that utility or dps. Without XL extenders or 3600mm plates, the chances of a faster tempest doing anything but terrible impression of mach are remote.

This all gets very depressing when you remember that the Tempest is now set to double in price too.

Its so frustrating. I have been trying to get attention to the FAILURE that the tempest is sicne the NOS nerf. All time peopel agree with that but always CCP simply ignoresit. As if there was some magical rule fixating tempest to the horrible slot layout and inneficient 1 ship bonus only fakely split in 2 (YEs i can say tthat openly now since the Hyperion have the 10% damage per level).



So frustratign that I will have to wait more years until CCPO cycles again their balancing experts, until maybe someday One will be able to understand the obvious.

Well if tempest is not made to fit 1400mm then what is? The maelstrom did not existed for a long time and the tempest was the only ship that coudl use 1400mm.


But what i want is a good AC boat.