Out of Pod Experience

Well Anita didn't exactly set the bar very high with her women in gaming kickstarter project. She raised $158k and producing one youtube video you could throw together over a weekend. A good commentary on it is here by a chap called Thunderf00t who's made a reputation for himself as dismantling idiotic nonsequicor arguments across the board.

Hopefully this one won't be such a spectacular failure as the last kickstarter project of this type.

Women in gaming documentary:

Chapter 1: Making sandwiches

I'm still wary of it being another blinkered approach to analysing gaming culture from a preconceived conclusion. Its highly competitive and testosterone fuelled so naturally its going to attract a lads culture. We play Eve, we know that a in such competition you look for any chink in the armour to **** off and throw off the opponents concentration and I have buttons and developed corresponding armour to deal with anything the might be fired my way.

Women who do end up immersed in this culture are in it for pretty much the same reasons, a few years ago a common empty threat was to hire a faction called Mercenary Coalition to come and **** your corporation and everything you held dear.

It was led by a bored housewife in her downtime and she was one of the most feared players in Eve's history.

That said there's a lot of women who play this game and never go on Voice chat, use male avatars ect to blend in better, seen all sorts over the years.

I will admit that it would be interesting to see a properly made documentary like this being made, but at the same time im worried that it will be put forward in a way that enforces the idea that all female gamers are...well.. abuse the fact that they are females to gain something.
Thus making it even rougher to be a female in an online game and be taken seriously and not have to question weather or not you got your roles/job because you are a female or because you genuinely have done the work to deserve peoples respect and trust.

And of course there are females that abuse this to the fullest which also makes it more likely that this attitude is what will expected from female gamers.

I guess it all depends on how many different kinds of gaming personalities they manage to get together, and how many different games they use for the research.

Im also worried it will go down the very..standard way which seems to be "If a female gamer gets harassed its always the guy that is the problem!". Personally having had issues with this (EVE being my first online game i had a lot to learn) i have eventually learned to read the small signs that can indicate that something is not right, and taken steps to prevent it from going any further.
From what i have seen some women will (almost) encourage the behavior, almost tricking the guy(s) into thinking that they have a chance and then turn around and slap them in the face, or have others do it for them because suddenly the situation went out of control and its not "fun" anymore.

Please note that im not saying that female gamers will do this on purpose. I think its more how we talk and how we can feel more comfortable and outspoken while we are online and this can (im guessing) easely be confused as "flirting" or "sexual interest" for someone. I can also say that i have personally seen a female trying to just be friendly (talking, listening, understanding) have lead to some really uncomfortable situations because the attention alone was enough to trigger the idea that was more then a friendship there.

Sorry for the long post but its a very touchy subject so i want to do my best to make sure my feelings and concerns (and the reason behind them) are understood.

And to the OP. Thank you for the link! Forwarded to WGOE

If true I believe I smell egg frying on my face

I was told that when I first joined Razor in 06 and have been working on that assumption for years, been a staple arguement of mine about the range of people that play Eve

No crap you kid... there are 3

Again trying to be very careful with how i word my self here...

I will not say that its purely the guys problem for misunderstanding signs and language used. Lets face it... Often times it will only be over text, and that makes things even harder. Now combine it with the fact that some people who play online games actually are like the stereotype...socially awkward, not sure how to talk to a female in general and any interaction with a female is enough for them to think that they have a chance.
I can imagine this gets even worse when you have talked to a person for quite some time and grown comfortable around them and then find out that its really a female...well I dont know about you but at least for me there has been times where someone suddenly changes their behavior completely after this is discovered.

Now for how a guy can claim its the girls fault... I can understand it.. As i mentioned earlier its easier to be outspoken, joke around, feel comfortable with who you are and so on while you are playing a game. And of course there are females that fully abuse it as i had mentioned earlier. If these girls realize them self what they are doing i dont know, but i have seen conversations in random public channels where even I think "Ok ok we get it! Your a female and you have boobs and you are great in bed! Give it a break now please!". Im no saint however, and i will fully admit that i can mess around and "flirt" with people from time to time, but i try to be very careful and only joke around like this with people that i know have no interest in me at all.

But i have been told that there are things about me that just sounds...well..flirty i guess weather or not i intend it to be, everything from my accent, to conversations that i don't consider unusual or odd in any way or form and how open i am when it comes to answering questions regarding more...girly stuff. I have even heard that a simple makes what i say (err type) sound like im flirting.

So bottom line... Its both genders fault that these misunderstandings happen, but at the same time neither can be blamed for it. There is no clear defined rules on HOW the genders should communicate with each other, no well written guidelines on what words or phrases should be avoided and of course splitting the two genders is out of the question. And honestly im very happy this is not the case! If there where rules and guidelines we had to follow we would be walking around like it was a minefield and no one would be able to actually relax and just get to know each other, and thus you would remove any chance of someone actually evolving mutual feelings for each other, and end up together in real life.

But both genders needs to be more understanding of each other. Its easy to trash talk the guys for just thinking with their... well you know what i mean And its easy to trash talk girls for not being able to do anything on their own and get everything for free because they have breasts.
What is not as easy is for girls to not abuse the fact that they are female (intentionally or not), and for guys to understand that just because a girl /hugs them in chat it does not translate to "Your welcome to take my pants off".

(I seriously have to stop with the walls of text! )

i'm clearly wasting my time in industry.

That was probably the most ******** video I've ever seen.

Is it really any wonder that modern feminism is ignored or even ridiculed by many?

The video is littered with misinformation that half-wits no doubt lap up in a desperate attempt to be a part of something.

They really are grasping at straws now if this is what it has come to. I just have no time for it anymore... Tired of the "Canucks are out of the Playoffs. Better get my **** out and scream about oppression" mentality.

Hot.



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