Live Events Discussion

Capitals can 'be' in high sec. They just can't jump into high sec. But there are a few people with Capitals left over in high sec currently. Carriers various places and Chribba has a Titan doesn't he? They aren't allowed to PvP/E with them I understand because they aren't meant to have access. But there is nothing magical that stops you flying one in high sec other than the problem that you can't jump into high sec. Once there High sec doesn't blow a capital up.

However DD's only work in Null. not even in low. Meaning changing that flag probably would have meant 24 hours with DD's useable in Low sec, meaning a massive change to low sec fights for a day. And coding a dirty work around for just Luminaire may have had unintended consequences.

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Edit.
As for stacking the deck, the Gallente had an advantage yes. If Capsuleers did nothing, the Gallente were going to win. If Capsuleers were even on both sides, Gallente were going to win.
However... If Capsuleers came down heavily on the Caldari side, the advantage was not enough to overcome the Capsuleer difference.
Of course, the Capsuleers actually came down heavily on the Gallente side meaning..... The Titan going down actually reflects the player actions & choices in the event. So...... Trying to claim it was scripted when it MATCHES player choices.....

oh, they helped, but the 30 dreads was the deciding factor, going into siege mode, they became too damn hard to pop before the titan died. remove all player, gallente wins, instead of being a coinflip.

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Of course it was scripted, they spent time and effort making a really pretty Dust map for Petes sakes.

The problem isnt that it was scripted, but the fact it was being advertises that it wouldnt be scripted, quotes such as "You can shape the outcome"

THATS THE BULLSHIT

Player cap was 2000 when the fight occured. It spiked beyond 2k for a bit then settled back to slightly under 2k for the next hour or two.

Yes, Caldari were significantly outnumbered in terms of capital ships on field. In particular, the Federation deployed a total of 32 Moroses, more than the entire Caldari capital/supercapital fleet combined. Capsuleer support is objectively harder to quantify in terms of people actually trying to fight for a side; there were certainly more people shooting Caldari ships, but I would wager that had as much, if not more, to do with people wanting to be on a titan kill than any absolute loyalty to a faction.



Indeed; apparently the only reason the Caldari were able to slip ships into the system in the first place was due to a temporarily failure of Luminaire's cyno-jammer allowing the initial 3 Wyverns in, followed by a secondary Caldari force - the Phoenixes, Chimeras, and last Wyvern - slipping in during a brief window in which the cyno-jammer was deliberately lowered in order to allow the Federation fleet to enter.



Again, "more capable" is difficult to objectively quantify. The Moros has a steadier tank compared to the Phoenix's powerful-but-brief shield boosting, and as you say the Moros' DPS is truly awesome at short range, while the Phoenix benefits from the ability to deliver unflagging DPS at any range out to about 50km. This is what bugged a lot of people I was watching the feed with - not only was the Caldari fleet massively outnumbered, but by ignoring the primary strength of their weaponry and playing directly to the Moros' strongest position, they all be ensured their defeat. Moreover, for many roleplayers this represented a stupendous error on the part of a supposedly veteran Admiral.


Now for my thoughts: I am not hugely upset that, objectively, the space battle seems to have had a pre-determined outcome. Viewed in the context of this largely being a show-off fight for the PAX event, it makes absolute sense to me that CCP would aim to make the most numerous and largest explosions they could (my feelings on the 1000-person cap is much the same).

However.

I am somewhat upset that this occurred after repeated assurances that this was a fight in which players could control the outcome, that the leaked Dust 514 skybox was "not what we were thinking it was", etc. Not raging-mad-spitting-flames-at-CCP mad; I still have serious respect for the Live Events team. I do think it is a legitimate criticism, however, to suggest that advertising an event as player-controlled and then to set up the fight so that a Caldari victory would be a complete and total miracle, requiring the complete cooperation of a huge fraction of the one thousand players allowed in system, is a choice that would inevitably be perceived as a "bait-and-switch", "railroading", "totally scripted", etc, and be intensely frustrating and even badly angering to those who came with the actual hope of being able to defend the titan.

i LIKED me3's ending (the extended one with all the dlc, filled in a LOT of gaps)

a games ending will usually **** people off

WTF?

never!

why do you think i called scripted?

no way to get CAPS into highsec anymore. and what few ARE in highsec are years old