Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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File a petition, it's the only way we'll get into any kind of discussion about it.

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I did file a petiton last night at around midnight EST and it mysteriously vanishes.. so what the hell am I supposed to make of that? Now it is possible I forgot to click submit but I doubt it. Please try not to lose the petition...

Would call for all BS skillpoints reimbursement. Many players would want to move away from crap CCP putting them into.

Maybe I am wrong, but i think you will receive the reimbursement of your skillpoints right after me being married with Scarlett Johansson , but before we reach the worldwide peace.

Until then we have around 2 months of skill points between guns and ship stuck in the amarr BS line.

Agreed. I think a poll would definitely show that the community overall is not in favor of these sweeping changes. If the poll was even more specfic, such as 'if you primarily fly Gallente, how do you feel about changes to X; if you primarily fly Amarr how do you feel about changes to Y?' the results would be even more lopsided.

As far as the Armageddon is concerned, what I keep going back to is these niche boats that practically nobody flies. While there will always be a crowd that loves ships like the Bhaalgorn and the Scorpion (and even, to a degree, the Domi fits into this category), do they constitute the norm? Is this playstyle what most people are looking for? And the answer to that is a resolute and thundering 'no.'

At the end of the day, your average Amarr player wants to shoot things with lasers. At the end of the day, your average Gallente player wants to tear things up with fleets of drones. Why is this like this? Because that is the lore we were sold on -- that is the world that has been EVE for nearly a decade.

I do not understand the desire to turn every ship in EVE into a one-trick pony. Real-world militaries have never been like that. Real-world militaries possess ships and vehicles and planes with overlapping roles. A frigate can do much of what a destroyer can; a destroyer can do much of what a cruiser can. And different classes of destroyers and cruisers all basically do the same thing -- just with slightly different approaches; different armaments. Nations, overall, might favor a certain tactical approach -- for the U.S. during the cold war it was (and remains) aircraft carriers; for the Russians it was fleets of missile-toting battlecruisers and cruisers. And you didn't really see one trying to ape the other because each believed their approach to warfare was correct.

Such was the case with EVE. You had boats that excelled at some things, and others that excelled at other stuff. But they were all essentially linked to one another by a pan-racial identity. Amarr: big laser guns and armor tanking. Caldari: missiles and shields. Gallente: drones and a lot of armor tanking. Minmatar: projectiles and shields. People liked that status quo. They liked the diversity that came with picking a race; choosing a path to follow.

What I have failed to see metastasize throughout this entire process is the crowd of people clamouring at the gates for changes that homogenize the races. Ask your average EVEer if you think that's a good thing, and they're not going to give you a positive reply.

Perhaps the most damning quote comes from CCP Rise himself. From the OP (underline added):



What? And, in God's name, why? How many Amarr players out there were going Dragoon -> Arbitrator -> Prophecy and then QQing that they didn't have an Amarr battleship? Hell, that progression of ships didn't even make sense until a few months ago. Surely -- surely -- there are not great masses of people out there deeply wounded because they couldn't chase a neut-drone build all the way into BS as Amarr.

Ergo -- and I cannot emphasize this enough -- these changes are ruining a ship for the majority to please a minority that, until a few short weeks ago, did not even exist.

This is why CCP Rise needs to explain himself. This is why these changes fail. Because they simultaneously destroy a good boat and strip a race of its unique flavor. But, of course, this post will be ignored... I am sure 'for the good of the game.'

To me? Training.

My character is two years old, which for eve is... nothing.

I spent my first year and a half training, first with support remap, then with gunnery / spaceship remap. I've put several months worth of SP in it and then remaped again to production.

If I where to try any other race now, I would be talking about at least 3 months of training.

So why we keep writing? Just because simple things, that would not hurt other areas, could make a huge difference in others. Everybody says the focus is X or Z, but if you could improve Y a bit and not do that much problem to X or Z, why not?

For me, after spending days on the test servers and writing what I believe to be constructive feedback posts here and having no particular addressed answer from the devs, not to my posts, but to my points in particular, which are shared by several others, the answer is clear.

Next time I have a remap available, it will be back to gunner / missiles / spaceships, and I'll simply forget everything else until I have all BS 5, specialization in all 4 weapons. Perhaps this way, a year and a half from now, if I'm still playing, I can "race hop" like that.

The situation its even more infuriating because CCP Rise has been until almost yesterday a player, so he knows what feels a player when devs take decisions without consulting/attending players feedback that affect the ships you use everyday and you have trained for a long period.

And yet...

i like your avatar 10/10

Yes he is saying that it is currently not used. "Then it already was" is really not up for debate. And i expect the Armageddon to get some buff to put it closer to Abaddons hp when the prices go up. Like all other battleships. That is the whole point of this "balancing pass" at last as i understand it.

Remember cats that they are basing the geddon changes off of the popularity of the prophecy.

I mean, all my Gallente friends are flying them nowadays.

That's even more ********, than I could've imagined.