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I've got a question regarding ISBoxer.

As i'm a frequent user of ISBoxer and pretty much does everything myself to control my clients. What's the stance? Can i use keymaps? Repeater Regions? Put a videofeed up of a my client on a 'blank' background?

CCP Never said wether they were against Multiboxing or not as far as i've heard... With this coming up, we need an answer... yay or nay to multiboxing? if nay which program? if yay which? we need a list.

I have read a lot of these posts and I'm still concerned.

Say hypothetically that I would be doing the following:

1. Fire up an eve client
2. Load a web page that uses CCP provided javascript api to go through market pages for items
3. Use a scraper to move said data gathered to a database / market data collecting service of choice

This is how most people would use a cache scraper. From what I gather this is now and has always been illegal? But from previous posts most likely not a ban reason on its own?

Turning this around you are now making the client do things for you (that it was not originally intended to do) AND using a cache scraper to directly read the data (which has been and now is illegal). Would this get a player banned?

I also find the precedence this sets interesting. You have now banned 2000 players for something, that was considered not a terrible offence in the past. In that it was never banned / prosecuted to this extent. Is there anything, anything at all, stopping you from turning around tomorrow, in a week or next month saying that cache scraping as mentioned above is bad bad bad and on the top of your list (and ban all the players doing it)?

My guess would be no, which effectively means that even though you state that you will not currently take actions against people cache scraping this might not be the case tomorrow. Granted common sense implies that you would not ban half your player base over night (hopefully?).

For me there would be two clarifications which could give me personally some peace of mind:

1. Does the combination of javascript webpage + scraper classify as worse than just a scraper on your "naughty list"?

2. Will you warn people, in advance, to stop their actions should you ever consider cache scraping (+ javascript page if no to question above) something you would want to prosecute?

I must say I much enjoy this game and would like to continue playing this (excellent) game, but even the suggestion of a 30 day ban gives me the creeps.

They have recently started targeted scanning for specific bots, so I assume this is the direction they are headed in. In the dev blog they state the scanning is restricted to the EVE process for now.

I'm with you though, if this stuff gets any more invasive I might just quit too. Why should I spend hours writing legitimate third party services if all I get is threats that all my 11 accounts might get permanently banned, with no notice, if CCP decide in the future they don't like my service. I also have to put up with a new "developer license" getting rammed down my throat, which says CCP own my soul and my source code. I'm not even sure why I bother really...

I'm pretty sure you failed miserably at your attempt to clarify anything.

It seems most of us are getting "Hey guys, this is against the EULA but if you're using a popular program that already does it we probably won't ban you. probably. maybe."

It isn't that ridiculous. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73971

Can't I just send you my softwares' source code and you certify if it's OK or not?

Otherwise all we get is the "I should be fine but since it's not clear I am not going to install it" syndrome, and that'll be BAD for the accuracy of data.

Ok, so you'll take actions against illegal activities in connection with cache scraping, fair enough. But obviously you do for illegal activities without any connection with cache scraping as well. So yes, I daresay its not really perfectly clear how cache scraping plays into this at all.

But threats are still there on "clarification page":


If you wont take any actions against players, why this text still exist in initial failed form (not even mention wrong date)?

upgrade to 2012, its C++ intellisense is a lot better than 2010's

The bigger point here is that CCP is so bad at game development over time that it requires an entire industry of player based third party apps to "complete" the game, and make it tolerable due to all the massive in-game deficiencies...just sayin, CCP's logic for EULAs is on about the same level as their game development.

If it were my product, I would see every massively popular third party app (that apparently I don't see as bannable, since it is hilarious that this conversation is even required, and speaks to just how terrible the in-game interfaces are) as an indictment of my ability to react to the evolution of my product. I could say that they are genius for letting people develop the game for them, but sometimes genius is simply incompetence given too much credit.

Also, the whole "Power of Two" thing (while undoubtedly a good idea financially for CCP) also speaks to a general, hilarious, blindness to the fact that their game is so screwed up it literally requires multiple accounts to get the most benefit...as indicated by the developer encouraging the behavior through a promotion...suppose I could call it genius...but once again, I would hate to give that much credit.

The fact that this policy requires such hot debate and is even necessary demonstrates that genius is not part of the equation, and if so, dishonest is the word that would more accurately describe the behavior and intent behind the policy and overall game development...so I prefer incompetence, or rather screwed up vision on CCPs part, as I do think they are trying, but are just not particularly good at it.