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Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-27 00:40:43 UTC
all i got was that ishukone got through

and aid wasn't all they were carrying to the planet Twisted

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Commander A9
Aurora University
#2 - 2013-03-27 00:59:03 UTC
Well, wouldn't surprise me if there was a chance that some illicit party might try to sneak something through...but that's why they docked in a Federation Navy station: so their cargo could be inspected (I hope)!

Recommendations:

-enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters)

-add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot)

-STOP NERFING EVERYTHING!

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-27 01:29:18 UTC
Is there more news on it? All I got was a message it is pinned in a constellation, then a short time later it got through. Was it dev or players, etc?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-27 01:41:50 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Is there more news on it? All I got was a message it is pinned in a constellation, then a short time later it got through. Was it dev or players, etc?


both, I only saw the convoy once they've arrived in Luminaire, the whole thing was carried out rather secretively due to security concerns, so many of us weren't really able to do anything other than sit around wondering what was going on.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-27 01:43:52 UTC
Sobach wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Is there more news on it? All I got was a message it is pinned in a constellation, then a short time later it got through. Was it dev or players, etc?


both, I only saw the convoy once they've arrived in Luminaire, the whole thing was carried out rather secretively due to security concerns, so many of us weren't really able to do anything other than sit around wondering what was going on.


Doing this stuff via mobile so is tough to check maps, but if I am correct in reading the tweet, they went through a low sec constellation correct?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-03-27 02:00:09 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Sobach wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Is there more news on it? All I got was a message it is pinned in a constellation, then a short time later it got through. Was it dev or players, etc?


both, I only saw the convoy once they've arrived in Luminaire, the whole thing was carried out rather secretively due to security concerns, so many of us weren't really able to do anything other than sit around wondering what was going on.


Doing this stuff via mobile so is tough to check maps, but if I am correct in reading the tweet, they went through a low sec constellation correct?


not sure, but I don't think so - AFAIK they started at Malkalen, which doesn't require going through lowsec to reach Luminaire.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-03-27 02:08:46 UTC
Well, the tweet says it was the Uusasai constellation. I misread the system in dotan on my phone here. It is a highsec constellation it looks like. My bad. If it was highsec, then how did it end up under capsuleer threat? That is what confused me.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-27 02:29:22 UTC
sounds like goon had a fleet out camping for the freighters, which the convoy managed to misdirect and evade.
Karaena Eli Hakoke
Cyber Dragoons
Cyber Dragoons Alliance
#9 - 2013-03-27 02:47:14 UTC
If the starting point is Malkalen, then Ishukone may be the ones who would have brought the aid package. While Heth says that Ishukone was negotiating with the Federation, they may have just secured a way to provide aid to Caldari Prime after the fighting was over. They docked at a Federation station just to be on the safe side, since Ishukone is still a Caldari corporation and wanted to show that they meant no harm to anyone in the Luminaire system and on Caldari Prime. Not all of the Federation knows that Mens Repola has nothing against the Gallente and worked with Jacus Roden (and Mordu) to acquire a prototype templar.
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-27 02:50:48 UTC
Karaena Eli Hakoke wrote:
If the starting point is Malkalen, then Ishukone may be the ones who would have brought the aid package. While Heth says that Ishukone was negotiating with the Federation, they may have just secured a way to provide aid to Caldari Prime after the fighting was over. They docked at a Federation station just to be on the safe side, since Ishukone is still a Caldari corporation and wanted to show that they meant no harm to anyone in the Luminaire system and on Caldari Prime. Not all of the Federation knows that Mens Repola has nothing against the Gallente and worked with Jacus Roden (and Mordu) to acquire a prototype templar.



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BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-27 03:21:50 UTC
Sobach wrote:
sounds like goon had a fleet out camping for the freighters, which the convoy managed to misdirect and evade.


Well, in expansion to that, how did goons or whomever it was know to be camping? I thought live event announcements were supposed to be on twitter? I saw nothing. Facebook? Nope, nothing there from eve.

So was it in live events channel or locals? I understand if it was live events. I was not able to get on eve at the time.

The point of this particular post is not against prepping for a gank. People can prep up fast. Just a clone jump and move to follow. Freighters are slow. I have read there were player escorts.

But there are posts about how they will use so and so channels to link news updates, etc. Which I admit, I check regularily. If a "convoy is leaving in 30 minutes" I will take a break from working on the bike in the garage and log in early. Every time they do another event, it seems like it is less about story and more about just gank and free kills in highsec. If that is what the live events team wants, then just leave the fic alone and roam with failfit cockroaches in low and null.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Baerd Garsenc
Guns and Butter Industries
#12 - 2013-03-27 03:57:33 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Sobach wrote:
sounds like goon had a fleet out camping for the freighters, which the convoy managed to misdirect and evade.


Well, in expansion to that, how did goons or whomever it was know to be camping? I thought live event announcements were supposed to be on twitter? I saw nothing. Facebook? Nope, nothing there from eve.

So was it in live events channel or locals? I understand if it was live events. I was not able to get on eve at the time.



It was announced in Live Events and on Eve Radio 30 mins (or more?) before the event started.

Spent maybe 15 minutes jumping from Malkalen to Kamio and then 45 minutes wondering wtf was going on. I was having com problems (to the point of needing to log out and back) so maybe it was talked about on voice - but no reason or information as to the delay was mentioned in fleet chat.

That's when I decided I'd wasted enough time.. shortly after that I saw that the fleet had reached Luminaire.

Honestly, if this is typical of a live event, I don't see the excitement over them. I understand the need for security, but I'd think the purpose of a live event is to get those who show up involved in some way - even if it's just kept abreast of the reasons for delays.

The real currency of New Eden isn'tĀ ISK - it's** trust**. Any idiot can earn ISK.

Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-27 04:21:37 UTC
yeah, catching a live event can be a pain

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend

DamnDirtyCat
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-03-27 06:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DamnDirtyCat
Calathorn Virpio wrote:
yeah, catching a live event can be a pain


The problem wasn't catching the live event, the problem was the complete information blackout that occurred shortly thereafter. Despite requests for both relevant information and the opportunity to help the fleet, many people were flat out ignored or fed intentionally false information. If you weren't there from the start and didn't belong to the super-special exclusive platinum club, you basically had no way to participate. We had a few new people who wanted to see what live events were about, but after this one they certainly won't be coming back.

All in all a well thought out event by CCP, but very poorly executed on the part of RPers. Operational Security isn't "let's intentionally exclude everyone we don't know/like".
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-27 08:13:14 UTC
DamnDirtyCat wrote:
Calathorn Virpio wrote:
yeah, catching a live event can be a pain


The problem wasn't catching the live event, the problem was the complete information blackout that occurred shortly thereafter. Despite requests for both relevant information and the opportunity to help the fleet, many people were flat out ignored or fed intentionally false information. If you weren't there from the start and didn't belong to the super-special exclusive platinum club, you basically had no way to participate. We had a few new people who wanted to see what live events were about, but after this one they certainly won't be coming back.

All in all a well thought out event by CCP, but very poorly executed on the part of RPers. Operational Security isn't "let's intentionally exclude everyone we don't know/like".



Shocked really? i caught some if this discussion from the live events channel, but what few live events i'd been in previously were highly inclusive

BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#16 - 2013-03-27 08:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Dont whine... if you want to increase your chance to take part in them or have info(sometimes earlier) go to this thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206766&find=unread

And declare your damn loyalty Roll

People may be secret about it beacause they don't want complications/problems thats logical Roll

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Citizen of Solitude

Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#17 - 2013-03-27 10:45:39 UTC
The event started in the Live Events channel, then moved to a rp-only channel "Command Comms" (though the actors frequently spoke in local anyway).

The convoy consisted of 4 Rhea-class jump freighters that departed from the damaged Ishukone station in Malkalen, and slowly made its way to Kamio, while escorted by both a Fleet Coordination Commission [FCORD] and a 4th District [4TH] fleets (each numbering about 40-50 capsuleers).

The freighters docked in the local Sukuuvestaa station, while conferring with both their leadership, and the capsuleer fleets, who were in contact with eachother and a Federation Navy operative in Luminaire. It had become apparent that a Goonswarm fleet was waiting in Uedama to ambush the convoy, so the capsuleer fleets feverishly tried to find an alternate route before the Ishukone freighter captains turned back home. In the end, a few FCORD capsuleers made their way to Seyllin and cleared it of interference so one of them could light a cyno beacon on the Metserel gate for the freighters to jump to.

The freighter captains were most hesitant to let the cyno ship into their fleet, as it wasn't a Caldari they trusted. But, they went with it, and soon found themselves in Metserel, only 3 jumps (Du Annes, Pettinck, Luminaire) from their destination. The rest of the capsuleer fleets only just made it back to Luminaire by the time the freighters arrived in-system. The Federation operative thanked all participants, stating that he would make it home to dinner with his husband after all, and Goonswarm went home grumpily without any Ishukone relief convoy freighter kills. Finally, CCP Falcon thanked everyone in the Live Events channel.

Thus ends my interpretation of what I think I saw happening ;-)

Until all are free...

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#18 - 2013-03-27 11:09:02 UTC
I didn't see any mail on the FCORD list about this event, which for all anyone who sits in the Live Events channel will know how much I disagree with most things Cat says, I have to say this one did seem like the information was heavily restricted to only very particular people.

I would suggest that more general information like 'There are indications that Ishukone freighters may be dispatched from one of their stations to Luminaire in the next 48 hours.'

This doesn't give start point, only gives the end point because it's blatently obvious, and no clues about route, or specific timing, but does allow for interested pilots to place queries with faction reps & well known contacts, & creates more life to the Live Events than a channel warning a bare 30 mins before hand, and the Twitter feed only going up after the event has started even from what I saw.
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-03-27 11:25:08 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Dont whine... if you want to increase your chance to take part in them or have info(sometimes earlier) go to this thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206766&find=unread

And declare your damn loyalty Roll

People may be secret about it beacause they don't want complications/problems thats logical Roll



It's not "people", stop defending CCP. It's a game, they should put on Live Events to entertain the PLAYERS, and further enhance the game story. Excluding people because they don't want complications is a total fail. You shouldn't need a "chance" to participate. I'm so pissed at how apparently chicken**it the supposed RP'ers/Devs are. Why put on a defense force if you're not going to defend? The Platinum Members decided to x up for a scaredy cat force. I got about 8 random guys in a fleet (some of them I see have commented already) and we were looking for information to help in the defense and get some pvp going, but the scaredy cat force was doing what they do best, avoiding conflict. I even commend the Goons, who were having fun and enhancing the game story also. I was very much looking forward to getting into it with some Goons while defending the freighters. Next time I recommend taking the path you're supposed to take with the biggest defense fleet you can mass with EVERYONE who wants to participate. Make everyone in systems along your route suspect when you enter every each system as a Concord security matter. Gate camp? Too bad, defense fleet - defend. I'm starting to see why everyone complains around here, I mean what a waste of our time that was.

But hey, at least the freighters made it safely and 40 Platinum Members got to pretend they were important for a half hour! It's not like this is an internet spaceships game famous for blowing people up or anything.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#20 - 2013-03-27 11:35:37 UTC
You can't really defend freighters against someone who wants to gank them. As everyone always says, the best way to defend a ship from a gank is to not be there. if you are there, you get 'LOL, N00B' comments all the time about it. People made similar comments about how 'dumb' the TTI's were to follow a known path.

As for making everyone suspect, the point of live events is that they aren't meant to be some kind of arena or break game mechanics constantly.
The Events where suspect flags have been used have been RP'ed prior to the flags going up & have had very good reasons. Simply because 'Someone wants to gank a Dev freighter in high sec' isn't a good reason to suspect flag people.
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