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[Odyssey] T1 Frigate Polish Pass and Naglfar fix

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Brute Force Solutions
#221 - 2013-03-15 17:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Alx Warlord wrote:
Nice!

When will we have the industrials revamp? i'm curious to see your ideas CCP!

2016

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Gallente Federation
#222 - 2013-03-16 11:32:23 UTC
Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2013-03-16 11:41:25 UTC
Lindsay McDermott wrote:
Something like:
TRISTAN:
Gallente Frigate bonuses: +5% to Drone mwd speed and +10% to drone tracking and hitpoints per level


then its better to have:
Gallente Frigate bonuses: +10% drone tracking, damage, +5 to orbit speed, inertia, agility,

together with Omnidirectional tracking link and drone speed module it would be a real killer for different stiletos and slashers
Shadow Cartel
#224 - 2013-03-16 12:04:16 UTC
Lidia Caderu wrote:
Lindsay McDermott wrote:
Something like:
TRISTAN:
Gallente Frigate bonuses: +5% to Drone mwd speed and +10% to drone tracking and hitpoints per level


then its better to have:
Gallente Frigate bonuses: +10% drone tracking, damage, +5 to orbit speed, inertia, agility,

together with Omnidirectional tracking link and drone speed module it would be a real killer for different stiletos and slashers



I think drone weapon range would be about 100 times more useful than drone tracking.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Caldari State
#225 - 2013-03-16 13:05:31 UTC
Fozzie, while You took time to look at "The Flying POS", what about the Phoenix?? its even more useless than minmatar dread.

Citadel missiles deals very little damage even to painted targets, making DPS a fraction of even naglfar (not to mention moros or revelation)
#226 - 2013-03-16 14:06:07 UTC
Lidia Caderu wrote:
Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules


That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"?

The Tears Must Flow

Intercom.
#227 - 2013-03-17 05:18:47 UTC
ccp, do you know, that naglfar now is one of the best dread's? why are you balancing it instead capital turrets? again matar ships will the best?
#228 - 2013-03-17 06:51:21 UTC
Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?

So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.

Is that all?
#229 - 2013-03-17 08:18:27 UTC
To mare wrote:
Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?

So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.

Is that all?

Look at how much rebalancing came with Retribution 1.0! It wasn't all announced at the same time. We were promised BS's Command ships, tier 3 BC's and a POS tweek. All of this is supposed to be coming in an Expansion comparable to Apocrypha.

Considering the reduced timeline because of restructuring, that doesn't strike me as a 'small' amount of work to do. They have shown is bits of whats coming. Given how 'long term' EvE is, I expected it's players to have a modicum of patience.
#230 - 2013-03-18 06:20:54 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
To mare wrote:
Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?

So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.

Is that all?

Look at how much rebalancing came with Retribution 1.0! It wasn't all announced at the same time. We were promised BS's Command ships, tier 3 BC's and a POS tweek. All of this is supposed to be coming in an Expansion comparable to Apocrypha.

Considering the reduced timeline because of restructuring, that doesn't strike me as a 'small' amount of work to do. They have shown is bits of whats coming. Given how 'long term' EvE is, I expected it's players to have a modicum of patience.


Apocrypha? Maybe i missed something, but are tehy adding new contents to the game in the upcomin expansion?
#231 - 2013-03-18 10:01:50 UTC
To mare wrote:
Apocrypha? Maybe i missed something, but are tehy adding new contents to the game in the upcomin expansion?

That's the impression I got from reading the CSM minutes and the various dev blogs on how they intend to structure expansions from now on.

Maybe that will be for the winter expansion if they don't have time now, but in principal they have stated that:

- Each new expansion should endeavour to be like Apocrypha, (New exploration, Industry, Ships, PvP, PvE - all tied together by a solid storyline.)
- New content which is iterated upon over approximately a 2 year period
- There should be something for everyone in the expansion and it should touch on many areas and improve them.

There was a suggestion thread a while back for the upcoming theme. I suggested the return of the Jove, but dome of the other suggestions were damn good too. It's buried in Jita park somewhere I think. The CSM know, I'm sure, but I also imagine the NDA has them by the short and curlies...
Shadow Cartel
#232 - 2013-03-18 11:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Also about the Tormentor, i think it needs cpu more than PG

No matter how i try to fit it i always run into a CPU wall.. (Also small beams really really really need more off a buff.. )

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Amarr Empire
#233 - 2013-03-18 13:53:41 UTC
Another "we doing nothing, coz we doing nothing"!!! Ugh

2 indian programmers can do all your job in one week.
all your job after apocripha is nothing, just moving sliders in eve-redactor.

fly safe ccp, soon your eve will be sony entertainment fo fo fo Twisted
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2013-03-18 14:46:36 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Lidia Caderu wrote:
Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules


That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"?

+20 CPU that it really needs wouldn't do a Rifter king from Tristan. Or at least reduce a bit cpu requirements for drone upgrade modules.
Caldari State
#235 - 2013-03-18 14:59:04 UTC
Lidia Caderu wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Lidia Caderu wrote:
Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules


That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"?

+20 CPU that it really needs wouldn't do a Rifter king from Tristan. Or at least reduce a bit cpu requirements for drone upgrade modules.


Drone modules in general require far too much cpu compared too how much cpu they put on droneboats

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

#236 - 2013-03-18 16:54:09 UTC
Didn't see this topic lol :)

Already wrote about merlin lockrange and incursus vs rifter comparison in the topic about navy frigs.
#237 - 2013-03-18 18:46:41 UTC
I agreed with many posts saying Capital missiles are garbage.

A phoenix in siege mode is really crap against even capitals.

A moving titan can speed tank the citadel torpedoes.

That's how bad it is.

Seriously 12 m/s exp velocity is a joke.
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2013-03-19 00:29:08 UTC
Captain Nares wrote:
Didn't see this topic lol :)

Already wrote about merlin lockrange and incursus vs rifter comparison in the topic about navy frigs.



I'd reiterate/copypasta it here too.
Would like to see it, so you have my official request. :D

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

C C P Alliance
#239 - 2013-03-19 11:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Good morning guys, as always thanks for the feedback and comments. I'm going to go over a few questions from the thread so far and then I have one small update to the plan.

Why are we talking about the Nag but not the problems with citadel missiles?
This change obviously does not fix all the dreadnaught balance, and we have never claimed that it does. Citadel missiles are much more limited in application than capital turrets, and that is a problem that we do intend to solve. However this Nag change is what we have ready to announce at this very moment.


Does this Nag change mean that your artists are all lazy?
No, it just means that we are endeavoring to make best use of the time we have available. Our art team has numerous requests for updates and new assets for each expansion, as well as their schedule for updating ship models into improved versions. They are over there making cool stuff for you all, believe me.

Ok ok, I will admit that CCP BunnyVirus is pretty lazy, but the rest of the team works really hard. Blink


Why give the Tormentor more grid? Wouldn't CPU be more valuable?
Yes indeed. A CPU increase would have been a bigger buff to the Tormentor than the +1 PWG is. However we are using the mass change as the main method of helping the Tormentor with this plan, and the +1 grid is primarily a small change to help make the common SAR+200mm and Focused Pulses setup less reliant on the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill for newer players.


Why does the Merlin have so much lockrange? (originally from the other thread)
In this case the lockrange advantage of the Merlin and Kestrel was not designed primarily to help with long range weapons (although that's a big plus for the Kestrel) but because we tend to build lockrange advantages into the Caldari race as part of their racial flavour and to help them counter their enemy ewar (sensor damps). The fact that those two ships are a bit more resistant to damps is not an accident.

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C C P Alliance
#240 - 2013-03-19 11:43:46 UTC
And for the quick update to the plan, we are looking at adding 1 Powergrid to the Rifter in this pass. Let us know what you think.

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