Jita Park Speakers Corner

I support a POS revamp.

Sincerely, small part of the community.

POS'es must be changed
or must be some kind of stations in wspace. where ppl can keep they stuff safe.
WE need new POS management posibilities or modular poses.

Time to give us some updates and I hope they include some

so we got info panels, lines in space?

basically NOTHING that we've repeatedly asked for?

Sorry but it seems as if your new way is not much different than your old way, see what the players (THE PEOPLE WHO PAY YOUR SALARIES) want and then do what you wanted to do anyway.

sorry for raising my voice there, I just wanted to make sure you understood who it was that was asking you to fix these things.

o/
Celly

I agree with you 100% and the business model folks like you and CCP have, but did we need lines in space?

We didn't need "info panels".

We didn't need someone jacking with the autopilot and where its located.

We didn't need the 7 months of dealing with the Unified Inventory fiasco which required a release to fix it.



We need to see the roadmap for fixes, proper fixes, where the game has problems and issues. CCP is sitting back telling us they don't have artwork or a way to make modular POS'es work, when the reality of it is they don't know how to fix it.


This is where they need to focus, and I want to help them ....... but they've gone back to their old ways. We can't help them if they won't let us.

Lines in space - necessary, no. Cool, yes. Development intensive? I doubt it.

Info panels have drastically improved and simplified the use of the associated tools. I think they are great.

Unified Inventory also had a knock-on effect, it screwed up a lot of the botting community and that's always a win in my book.

As for the idea that CCP don't know how to fix POSs or make modular POSs work, o don't remember reading that anywhere. What I read was that they have a prototype and they didn't feel it would affect enough people. They have accepted this is not true and are working on it.

I really want modular POSs, the kind that start as little more than a can in space that can evolve into player owned stations. I want that, but I seriously doubt its going to happen soon. If nothing else, that code will probably need to be re done from the ground up.

I'm sure we will see an update, or at least a comment, from a dev to reassure us within the next few days.

Declaring that I am part of the small portion of the community who owns and operates a POS. My main gripes

1- Poor anchoring/unanchoring/offline/online interface and gamplay. Why can't i anchor and unanchor multiple items at once? POS's are no longer relevant to sov warfare so why are archaic anti-tower spam mechanics still in place?

2- The box interface for anchoring is horrible, I complained about it at FF'07 and then CCP added the same interface to probing! Why do I have to move the anchoring box outside 30km...it should auto snap to viable positions outside the tower. How am I supposed to measure distance between the tower and the box? trial and error? every time?

3- Corporation members can take advantage of research and manufacturing slots only if they have hangar permissions. After 10 years of corp theft-online I would hope the general developer attitude goes towards reducing the need for hangar permissions, not increasing them.

More to come later....

you are absolutely right for the most part...

I know that I don't directly pay anyone's salary, and I too run a business so I fully understand the concept of the business hierarchy, however, we should not lose sight of the fact that without us, no one gets paid and no one's pockets get lined.

Many of us love this game and understand that the things we want aren't going to be overnight fixes, hell, I get that 100%, it's just that many of the things that we've all been asking for are things that have been asked for for a period of years and that is where the frustration comes into play.
I think it would be different if they didn't allude to stuff then do something else, but then again, that's just my opinion and as you so aptly pointed out, I'm just a consumer.

:)

fair enough :)




Unfortunately CCP is always going to be between a rock and a hard place in that respect because not all of us want the same thing at any given time, but I too remain hopeful for something directed at POSes soon.

o/
Celly

I will probably get lynched for this, but I agree fully with CCP Seagull on deciding to hold off on the aesthetic component of the POS system, in order to focus on POS functionality. An eye-candy rework of the POS mechanic is not what the community needs, regardless of what the community thinks it wants. An aesthetic POS expansion will be doomed to failure, because aesthetics are not a major, or even a minor problem with POSes, or even a problem at all.

The current disaggregated system of a single control tower surrounded by detached modules works fine. Some folk may not like the way it looks, but point to anything in the game, and a lot of people will hate its aesthetics. That's part of EVE. But the detached structure system allows a lot of flexibility for the POS designer. I can position modules within easy reach of one another for industrial purposes, out of the way of ships, and anywhere else I damn well please. I can set up tight batteries for easy repping and rearmament, or have a lot of small clusters.

I currently run two large and one small tower; I use them almost every day, in addition to a weekly trip to fuel up mining tower a in the middle of nowhere. So I speak from experience when I say that the current POS layout is fine. If it's changed to a unitary structure, that's fine by me; if it's left alone, I also don't care. Aesthetics are not a big problem, and should not be a priority.

The problem with POSes is the underlying link to corporate roles. The corporate role system has little granularity, especially regarding industry and structure access. Some parts of the role assignment system have little functionality; others are unintuitive and difficult to utilize to their full potential. Improving corporate roles to allow more granular control over access rights, and allowing greater control over access to control towers, will be a much better use of developer time than making a pretty little Lego minigame that no-one really uses because the underlying functionality is broken. Make no mistake -- aesthetics are nice, and I won't complain if the POS rework comes with a major aesthetic overhaul, but aesthetics should not take place of a solid re-design of the POS framework and how it interfaces with actual use of the towers themselves.

We have had aesthetic expansions without any content. The player base will fiddle with the pretty lights, and then shrug and ignore it. Anyone who thinks otherwise should consider just how successful and useful Incarna was. Technically, Incarna is amazing, but it has no interactive component, no gameplay.

I would like a POS system where giving permission for someone to manufacture ammo does not also allow him to cancel every corp industrial and research job in the universe. I want to be able to segregate access to different arrays based on title and role. I want blueprint lockdown to not induce carpal tunnel syndrome. And if I want to give someone access to everything, then by God I should be allowed to do that as well, sanity be damned. In sum, I want better control over who can do what to which thing at a POS.

**** modular POSes. I want modular corp roles and modular corp access. The pretty eye candy can wait.

That being said, there are some easy improvements to the current POS system:

- POS refining arrays. They refine at a max 75% efficiency. This may have made sense before Rorquals and exhumers were a thing. But now, they have too little capacity (one or two Hulks can keep an intensive refining array busy), are too slow, and take way too much fitting space. More damnably, it is always more efficient to compress minerals for export than to use the refining array, even considering the cost of fuel. Allow for 100% refining at these things, or at least massively improve their throughpout so a player faces a meaningful choice between refining a lot of stuff, or shipping out compressed ore.

- Missile batteries. Why do they consume CPU? Why are they the only weapon system that goes offline under reinforce? A tower full of missiles can be tanked by a battleship local repper, so the entire POS missile system could use a major look at.

- Blasters. Tower optimal and tracking is calculated from the control tower. Blaster optimal and falloff combined is less than the radius of all but a small tower's shield.

- Containers in corp hangars. Please do this, and allow us to restrict who can remove containers from a given division.

- Divisions in the ship maintenance array. As a stopgap measure.