EVE General Discussion

It will not enable you to modify 30 orders each minute, that was what got him banned.

The person you responded to can't update a market order every 2 seconds for 20 minutes straight, I can't do it, neither can you... nobody can.

That he was using a bot to accomplish this is not in question.

I'm glad to see some market bots getting banned.

I don't see what the issue is. Guy uses software to update orders faster than normally possible, guy gets banned, isk he gained from the illegitimate means gets removed. Why is there a thread about this? Because he was a nice guy? Whatever.

I don't believe you should have to be told more than once. It's pointless to pose the same question several different ways and then complain when you get the same brief (yet to the point) answer... the same holds true for people that continue to escalate or submit new petitions because they didn't get the answer they wanted to hear the first few times.

When the line is bluntly drawn (more than once in this case), stop stepping over it. That basic rule of common courtesy applies to everyone... he should know that by now.

I think I'll believe CCP when they say the automation involved went beyond acceptable bounds, mostly because they actually know what was done and how it was done.

Your personal opinion on the matter is... just that.

CCP Screegs comments in this thread are awesome and highly amusing. And everyone arguing against him are just wasting their time.

My concerns were (and at time of writing, some are) that:

1. This is a significant amount of ISK to remove from the economy, and as such could be dangerous to the based on where and how it happened - for example, the player in question could have ‘dumped’ a large volume of stock of some item for very little.
2. That the whole balance was removed and this only appeared to happen a week after we brought it to CCPs attention, which suggested that it had been cleared and would have remained on the account of the person in question otherwise.
3. That no explanation other than “its a security matter” and “the ISK was obtained illegally” was provided even though the ISK was removed from EVE University itself, where previous occurrences of similar events resulted in a mail from a GM explaining what had happened (bot/RMT/hacked account).
4. That as a number of corp members were aware of the donation, and due to the amount of ISK involved, to avoid any allegations I would need to make the results of the petitions (including an outline of those petitions) public, and without a response this could look bad on CCP.
5. That I received no response as to the above concerns and instead was told that, in no uncertain terms, that I would receive no further information and that I was free to escalate this or make it as public as I wanted.
6. The responses to my petitions stated that there was no escalation path available for security matters, which was backed up by various sources, and that all attempts to locate one and deal with this quietly resulted in the path looping back on itself.



In which case, I disagree with your statement that the concerns and questions were previously explained either via the petition system or in private, and as such I give you full permission to post all relevant material publicly in its entirety.

Whether or not “John” was using a macro/botting or any other illegal activity, the process of addressing the petition and the nature of the responses may have highlighted a flaw in CCPs procedures, which is simply bad customer relations.

The issue is that the manner in which CCP Security deals with these issues, the stated lack of reporting (such as the CSM has with EVE Central Bank) combined with the lack of an appeals process (Judge, Jury and Executioner) is a recipe for distrust.

I like the part where Eve Uni sent a petition because they weren't sure if the ISK was legit, and then whan the response was "you were correct to be suspicious, the ISK is not legit", they shrieked and yelled all over their forums about how unfair it was that their suspicions turned out to be correct.

Please stop embarrassing yourself further.

starting such an outrage over a banned botter, and then complaining about "bad customer relations" about the guys that are responsible to protect the game from botters and other cheats who break the game - honestly, thats stupidity...

guess you jumped on the whine-train so you get voters for the next elections, cause for whatever reason whine seems to be the communities favorite since quite a while now.