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Hide your ISK, Team Security is out of control. (Allegedly)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#441 - 2013-02-12 19:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Abus Finkel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abus Finkel wrote:

Which I believe CCP Sreegs has addressed in this thread, and I think if that had just been communicated to Kelduum in private he wouldn't have taken this public at all.
I like this game and I like most things CCP has done with it recently, but I think most people will agree with me that communication is not their strongest side.


He was told. He didn't like the answer and so started many threads.

How do you know that? Have you read CCP's responses to his petitions?
All we know is that CCP Sreegs says he was told and Kelduum says he wasn't.


Petition replies are always private, Kelduum received replies to his petitions, ergo he was told in private.

The source of the ISK is nothing to do with Kelduum, that was between CCP and the person who got temp banned. If CCP had divulged any information to Kelduum, as a third party, they would have broken their own rules with regards to customer confidentiality.

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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#442 - 2013-02-12 19:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anna Karhunen
Dan Leviathan wrote:
Abus Finkel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abus Finkel wrote:

Which I believe CCP Sreegs has addressed in this thread, and I think if that had just been communicated to Kelduum in private he wouldn't have taken this public at all.
I like this game and I like most things CCP has done with it recently, but I think most people will agree with me that communication is not their strongest side.


He was told. He didn't like the answer and so started many threads.

How do you know that? Have you read CCP's responses to his petitions?
All we know is that CCP Sreegs says he was told and Kelduum says he wasn't.


Even if he lied (which he didn't) it's irrelevant. Quit whining like a spoiled child.

If CCP Screeg lied, by same measure then that should mean he should be fired.

Edit: Note, I have no idea about it all and really don't care. Probably it is all due to miscommunication of sorts.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#443 - 2013-02-12 19:44:37 UTC
Abus Finkel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abus Finkel wrote:

Which I believe CCP Sreegs has addressed in this thread, and I think if that had just been communicated to Kelduum in private he wouldn't have taken this public at all.
I like this game and I like most things CCP has done with it recently, but I think most people will agree with me that communication is not their strongest side.


He was told. He didn't like the answer and so started many threads.

How do you know that? Have you read CCP's responses to his petitions?
All we know is that CCP Sreegs says he was told and Kelduum says he wasn't.


CCP Sreegs has told us, in this very thread, that kelduum was told in private several times.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#444 - 2013-02-12 19:48:55 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Probably it is all due to miscommunication of sorts.


No, it's probably due to some jerk getting $.$ in his eyes and attempting to use his position as head of a CSM member and large noob corp with lots of influence over many noob accounts to force CCP to give him the botted ISK.

-Liang

Ed: Remember: it's not a miscommunication just because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#445 - 2013-02-12 19:51:03 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:

If CCP Screeg lied, by same measure then that should mean he should be fired.


Lied about what exactly?

Kelduum took his friends words at face value without even the slightest consideration that he might actually be botting. He knew that there was something fishy in the isk itself which is why he made the petition, the isk was removed and he started crying that he didn't get to keep it afterall? Not only that, he started making accusations towards CCP's security team and demanding them to be investigated, all the while his buddy gets a free pass just because he says he wasn't botting? Oh but his buddies word must be worth much more than a full investigation with actual proof...

Kelduum Revaan has a long history of doing favors to his own inner circle and ignoring everything they do that is shady, ranging from their own forum moderator trolling their boards and banning everyone calling him out on that, and to incidents like this. It wont be the first nor the last time as long as unistas are walking with their blinds on. On top of that Kelduums most recent comments that CCP's treated uni badly for ages and intentionally introduced bugs and features that harm them are downright hilarious. How out of touch can one person really be?

E-UNI itself is important and good overall for both the newbies the game itself, but its management rising themselves to a pedestal thinking they're untouchable simply needs to stop.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#446 - 2013-02-12 19:52:40 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:

E-UNI itself is important and good overall for both the newbies the game itself, but its management rising themselves to a pedestal thinking they're untouchable simply needs to stop.


The OLD E-Uni (back in 2007-2008?) was a good and helpful organization. The new one... not so much. IMO.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Renzo Ruderi
Doomheim
#447 - 2013-02-12 19:52:48 UTC
ITT: 13 year old girls fight the powah.
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#448 - 2013-02-12 19:58:46 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
On top of that Kelduums most recent comments that CCP's treated uni badly for ages and intentionally introduced bugs and features that harm them are downright hilarious. How out of touch can one person really be?


Do you have a link to these comments?

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2013-02-12 19:59:35 UTC
Wescro wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
On top of that Kelduums most recent comments that CCP's treated uni badly for ages and intentionally introduced bugs and features that harm them are downright hilarious. How out of touch can one person really be?


Do you have a link to these comments?

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?p=559364&f=28#p559364
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#450 - 2013-02-12 20:03:00 UTC
Re: Re: 317B ISK Gone from E-UNI: Who Watches The Watchmen?





Terra Infector Adoudel wrote:



Kerplakershtat Rova wrote:What I don't understand is why they'd take it away from a teaching institution. Anything else I could understand, but this sort of seems counter-productive.

E-Uni is treated the same as any other corp.
Actually, E-UNI has historically been treated pretty badly by CCP, although probably not on purpose.

From expansions that break things, them 'stealing' our public channel by making it official (which totally broke it for some time) to broken API things and bugs with titles, not to mention the changes to wardec mechanics which were supposed to fix loopholes but in fact made things worse.

In fact, Retribution was the first expansion in years (as long back as I can recall) that didn't break something important to E-UNI.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#451 - 2013-02-12 20:05:26 UTC
You know what's really funny is that I've been really frustrated by the idea that E-Uni was basically a CCP sanctioned, endorsed, and preferentially treated corporation for the last few years. And now he says CCP has it in for them?

******* mind boggling.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#452 - 2013-02-12 20:08:41 UTC
ISBoxer is allowed? Is that confirmed by CCP?
Sorry for offtopic.
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#453 - 2013-02-12 20:08:44 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
You know what's really funny is that I've been really frustrated by the idea that E-Uni was basically a CCP sanctioned, endorsed, and preferentially treated corporation for the last few years. And now he says CCP has it in for them?

******* mind boggling.

-Liang


You know what else is frustrating?

Having a pro botting CSM member.




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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#454 - 2013-02-12 20:08:49 UTC
Im sorry but the more he speaks the more I want his head on a spike. My CSM choice was removed for far less and made no fuss like this guy.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#455 - 2013-02-12 20:08:56 UTC
Nemo deBlanc wrote:
If he created what was effectively his own UI, CCP is foolish to ban someone for improving on the pile of **** they've created.


Seems to me instead of banning the guy CCP should have hired him to fix the Market & LP store UI's Lol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#456 - 2013-02-12 20:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Seems like Eve Uni is all about Eve Uni and sod everyone else, the changes that affected them weren't unique to them, with the exception of the public channel. API bugs, war dec bugs, title bugs etc affect everybody not just them.

Violet Giraffe wrote:
ISBoxer is allowed? Is that confirmed by CCP?
Sorry for offtopic.


ISBoxer is allowed as long as there is someone at the keyboard physically playing the game. It's merely a framework for multiboxing, however it can be used in conjunction with other software as the basis for bots, that's when it becomes not ok to use.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Whitehound
#457 - 2013-02-12 20:09:37 UTC
Yvsyvs wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
That is the problem right there. He was using tools which allowed him to rapidly perform actions faster than he otherwise would have been able to on his own. This is covered in the EULA.


So pretty much any South Korean Statcraft player is doomed to face false charges and banning, then. Lovely.



Exactly this! I have no clue if this guy was really boting, but who decides what is humanly possible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVEvwNbeK6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ofosFtuqs,

If only market PvP was this challenging then you had a point, but it is not. It is a very repetitive number game and managing 300 market orders in 10-20 minutes is not anywhere close to being comparable to what you can see in those two videos.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#458 - 2013-02-12 20:09:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
An hour ago I thought calls for Kel to resign were a bit over the top. Reading that thread you linked, I am no longer of that opinion.


I was thinking the same, after all the CSM was founded to prevent CCP employ's from using their position at CCP to interfere with the game. If there was any truth to the claim that team security was removing isk of banning people wrongfully for boting, it would be something the csm should look into.

The more you read about the person, the more it seem like he is just using the power he was given for his own needs. I wonder how he would have looked at the situation if the 300B had not been donated to eve-uni, it's looking more and more like all he really cared about was getting the isk.
Din Chao
#459 - 2013-02-12 20:10:03 UTC
Violet Giraffe wrote:
ISBoxer is allowed? Is that confirmed by CCP?
Sorry for offtopic.

Yes. It's allowed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#460 - 2013-02-12 20:14:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Seems like Eve Uni is all about Eve Uni and sod everyone else, the changes that affected them weren't unique to them, with the exception of the public channel. API bugs, war dec bugs, title bugs etc affect everybody not just them.

Violet Giraffe wrote:
ISBoxer is allowed? Is that confirmed by CCP?
Sorry for offtopic.


ISBoxer is allowed as long as there is someone at the keyboard physically playing the game. It's merely a framework for multiboxing, however it can be used in conjunction with other software as the basis for bots, that's when it becomes not ok to use.


About that help channel.

Quote:


Kelduum Revaan:

The public channel was done without our knowledge or consent - apparently someone within CCP decided that we should be listed in the help channels, with all the spam and so on that comes with it, and for a time, we even had no moderator access to the channel
.