Ships & Modules

Pff, don't try logic on the "waaaah" crowd. It doesn't work.

Way to make that three months of training on multiple characters utterly worthless Greyscale. I continue to dislike you more than Dust or Incarna.

Why is it every change you bring to us seems like one of the worst ideas ever? Anomaly's being tied to truesec for example.

Perhaps you didn't think it's a big change because you don't play the game, and thus do not grasp how it works?

Post massive game changes in this forum. Yep, definitely wanted for everyone to see it and give their feedback before implementation...

I can fly both armor and shield and still can't see the problem you guys are moaning about. No real numbers, just moaning.

Which one imho suffers the most from neuts?- Armor and I have yet to see someone telling me I'm wrong with other thing than regular EFT/Pyfa vomit. This change is good and as you guys can read it it's worth for SHIELD and ARMOR HARDENERS.

Now lets get back to our double XL-ASB Sleipnir bait some special nerds somewhere in new Eden...

I think Greyscale used poor wording here. I bet what hi meant was to remove the modules that can be both active and passive.

generally:

• active modules do stuff when active and nothing when inactive.
• passive modules do stuff when fitted and cannot be activated

Active hardeners are different they do stuff both when active and when not active. It is like if warp disruptor would prevent warping of target ship when active and giving you +1 warp strength when not active.

For armor it also finally make sense to use RAH. As it was not affected by compensation skill bonus in any way.


Also I think Greyscale should have announced this change and not have it to be found on sisi by accident.

If you think for a second armor hardeners provide more protection you're wrong.

If you think for a second passive resists provide more protection you're wrong

If you think for a second armor ships don't loose as much useful slots for dps mods and rigs, you're wrong.

If you think a DCU in an armor ship is an option you're again very wrong.


Actually you're wrong all the line, ask this to everyone being able to properly fit armor/shield why they tend to shield tank their armor ships. In your expert opinion it's because those have natural higher resists in their shields too?

Not very happy about this either. Not going to lie.

Those passive resistances have made the difference between life and death for me many many times in fights. Neuts come to mind mostly, but I have on occasion opted to turn off Invulns and Active hardeners so that I can hold onto my point for a little bit longer. That just wont be an option any more.

With the buf armour tanks will be receiving, I don't think its wise to be simultaneously nerffing shields, even in the smallest way.

I vote they make the compensation skills affect the base resists of the ships hull to make up for taking it out of the active hardeners.


Of course, you'd still have an issue with EM resist on shields, but nothing is perfect.

Let me tell you about two modules the Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II and Adaptive Nano Plating II.

Every pvp armor ship as standard fits a DC, 1-2 of these modules and then 1-2 active hardeners to fill any resist holes depending on the ship. No matter how many neuts you have on you these modules will never turn off and always give you resists.

Lets use some examples here as your obviously having issues with understanding, lets take a myrmidon and a cyclone and assume that this is after the removal of skills effecting turned off hardeners.

A pretty standard fit for the myrms lows is 1 DC, 2 EANM's, 1 explosive hardener and 2 reps now assuming you get neuted out completely, even to the point where the DC is also tuned off, you will still have resists of: 70, 61, 61, 47, ie pretty freaking good still.

Now lets take the cyclone, again a pretty standard fit, a DC, MWD, scram, 1 boost amp, 1 ancillary shield booster, 1 invuln, again lets assume you are completely neuted out, you end up with resists of: 0, 20, 40, 50 even assuming you have an em and themal resist rigs you end up with resists of 30, 44, 40, 50.

Im going to use the first set of figures from the cyclone as we are not assuming rigs for either ship, lets put these together shall we:

Myrm: 70, 61, 61, 47

Cyclone: 0, 20, 40, 50

Do you see the issue where shield is far more effected then armor yet?

How about the fact that armor ships still have mids left to run 1 if not 2 cap boosters and thus make is even harder to completely neut out their hardeners.

Now combine this with armor ships having full tackle, and post armor buff also coming in the same patch, no speed side effects from their rigs, explain to me why anyone would choose a shield ship to brawl with post patch? And how this is not effecting shield more then armor.

I must say i was complaining a lot about shield tanking. And mostly on that CCP is not willing to somehow penalize it. Now i must say that i ... i'm ashamed. This fabulous change, revelation i would say. Finnaly cap less weapons , cap less active tank and cap less passive tank even lol combo was finnaly broken. Now they can finnaly be dealt with.

For once there is something that is better about armor tanking. I acknowledge it. I adore it. I'm not troll,but forum warrior - yes. Seems like a bit of justice after all.

Was kinda sad before that gallente or amarr ship - be it blaster or laser was weapon cap dependant, active armor tank cap dependant and hardeners used cap too on top of that.

Tears in this topic ease my pain and mostly i recovered some faith in CCP balance team. Keep this work ! Still much must be done about shield tanking.