Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The issue isn't that a ship is used because of its bonuses. It's that passive (read: resist) bonuses work just as well as an active bonus AND it's useful in gang/fleets as well.

Effectively, you're saying that if you fly an active bonused ship in a fleet, you're wasting one of the ship's bonuses. Other ships, such as the Mael are used for specific reasons--in the Maels case it's obviously for its extraordinary alpha.

Other ships that don't have tank bonuses at all are compensated with two dps-related bonuses. They're not simply asked to waste a bonus when doing fleet work.

Gallente BCs really need to have their bonuses reevaluated. Either the Myrm needs to become the game's first true drone boat (with 2 drone bonuses (+drone speed so Ogres are as fast as Hammerheads when out of MWD and in orbit range)), or the Brutix needs to become a bigger blaster hellion.

Personally, I'm more in favor of the Myrm retiring its legendary triple-rep setup and becoming a dual bonused drone boat. This would give it a nice versatile range of options, allowing it to still shield tank, armor tank, range tank, bombard or brawl. And what's more is that the Thorax is an excellent blaster hellion already, and putting the Brutix in this position would cause too much overlap.

Then, when command ships get their overhaul, you can have the Astarte drop its rep bonus for +armor hp and make it the "super" Brutix (of legend), if you must--although the Diemos would probably fill the "pro-dps" role better, and the +armor hp of the Astarte fits its role better as a resilient command platform.

Edit: typos (thanks iPad)

maybe you missed the parts where the drake get a +10% per lv instead of +5%, effectively doing more dps than the actual drake when using kin missile

That's exactly the point. And if kinetic is not exactly appropriate, then you stand there with pants down.

Don't know the exact number but I believe it is less.

You should train BC to V anyways for the summer expansion. Its a must.

1. In what way will the brutix be better than a myrmidon at 20km? Both will be quite useless at any range from 20km outwards.

2. No, the question is why would you have 2 battlecruisers that are essentially the same thing. Given the lack of bonus differentiation the gallente are being short changed and boxed into a very limited role that, quite frankly, we've all grown very fed up with.

1. Drake had the kinetic bonus since forever and that didn't stop it for being one of the best (tied with Cane or even a little better) battlecruiser in game. You both (Mund and Notoriuos Sick) speak like the kinetic bonus is a new thing.

2. It would have the same damage with BC IV and will be better with BC V. Where exactly is the nerf, you plan to fly the ship with skill II and want it balanced at that skill? Beyond laughable.

3. You two read your posts again and go sit in a corner for not making any sense and being totally clueless about the subject at hand.

Lrn 2 Maths.
Though you are correct that there is a DPS drop for non Kinetic.
However it is not 50% of your DPS.

Your non Kinetic DPS is 100%. Lets just say 300 for a nice easy number.
Under the old (current drake) you would have had 350 DPS instead.
300/350 = 85.7%. That bit you are close on. So ok, you have taken a 14/15% DPS nerf here.
The Drake always was going to get Nerfed.

However, now let us calculate the Kinetic damage.
300*150% = 450.
Vs old Kinetic Damage
350*125%= 437.5.
103%.

Non Kinetic damage vs Kinetic.
= 67% damage, not 50%. here is where you went wrong. 50% of 150% = 75%, not 100%. percentages don't add & subtrace the same to reach the same end number.

So yes, overall it is a slightly high Nerf. In general you are going to pretty much use kinetic since you need them to have a really big resist hole before you bother changing ammo.
But, now consider you also have 1/7th less the ammo cost. Pay less to fit your drake since you need one less launcher. And you have a nice utility high sitting there for a link to slot into once boosts have to be on grid so as not to be obvious booster even.
On the whole, the Drake is still in a very good place.

Also, what Nevin said, the resist hole would need to be VERY large and obvious to even think swapping ammo. And no one really goes for really high kinetic resist except some very particular and rare cases.

This was the case before the Drake changes, this is still the case now. Drake is designed for Kinetic ammo and in 99% of cases is great as it is. For the 1% of cases, oh well, every damn ship has these.

You know, those rare ships like hawks and every caldari/gallente t2 hull

At Lvl 4, the new and old drake break even... The new Drake gets just under a 3% boost over the old one, at lvl V...