EVE General Discussion

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as a policy i do not consider the opinions of NPC alts or honorary NPC alts

Sure, i see what Wal-mart does to small businesses. My message to those small businesses is "tough luck, do something else".



Nope, small businesses can survive by NOT competing with wal-mart, but by finding a niche it's hard for a big ponderous thing like Wal-mart to do. Like the mom and pop hardware store in my dad's home town. They knew they couldn't compete with cheap tools and materials from wal-mart, so they morphed their business into a "come to you" home repair business that buys cheap materials and tools....from wal-mart (and Home Depot) and survived.

Or they coulda done a "Bane Necran" and expected the gubmint to some how artifically level the playing filed so they could compete with wal-mart on wal-mart's turf while producing an inferior product/service.

This is basically what the "make small groups able to compete in null sec" want, the government (CCP) to somehow prop them up so they can take sov. They don't understand that anything ccp does to support small alliances will just make large alliances that much more of a problem....

I cite the example of TEST, which was literally formed by a bunch of noobs from Reddit. They've done pretty well for themselves, wouldn't you say?

The main reason they have succeeded is that they weren't above working with others. Trying to explain away their success as being "jobless creatures" is just Othering and making excuses.

Every single entity in sov 0.0 has always worked with other groups. If you want yours to succeed also, you'll have to do the same. Diplomacy is part of politics as much as war is.

Taking sovereignty is the easy bit, its holding that system that's the problem

I've seen one guy get sovereignty on his own, I was totally blown away that he managed it.
of course he had no illusions this would last, was more of an experiment.
but he got and held a null system for about a day before the inevitable blobs arrived.
EVE got a bit shinier for me that day, that was cool

I think the only real way to make this sort of thing a possibility is to limit the amount of systems a group can hold, only thing I can think of is an exponentially increasing cost per system held by alliance.

Although I'm seeing some hope if the POS changes spoken about happen, a hidden away POS might be just what the doctor ordered.
That's what keeps me out of null personally, no safe base of operations, its either join the horde or stay out.

NPC nullsec. All the perks of nullsec, plus stations you can never lose, and you never have to worry about Sov. If you can control a chunk of that then it's a good first step towards being able to control a chunk of sov space. Of course NPC null has disadvantages too - neutrals can dock at the stations too so station games are the order of the day, there are no jump-bridges or ihubs, etc. But hell, it's a starting place for "small" corps. You'll get plenty of practice.

Honestly, as trolly and useless as this persons response seems to be, they essentially had it right.

You aren't going to be the next biggest alliance unless you do a lot of work, kiss a lot of ass, and have the right connections to make it happen.

Same thing in real life.

As The Mittani said in an interview I recall reading, those successful alliances are usually composed of out of game communities. Many of them being communities long before they even made the jump to EVE, and some of them are even older than EVE itself.

This is completely different than say a first person shooter game, where a group of people can make themselves known, simply by being good at the game and going to tournaments.

It's sad, but I do believe EVE is a good representation of real life that way. You aren't going to be President unless you kiss your fair share of assess.

But when you do make it, expect to have your ass kissed quite a bit. le mittani

Yep, life is about adaptation. The alternative is some unsustainable feel good socialist BS to prop up innefficent small businesses.

No Thanks



Nor does their need to be a variety of ways for "small alliances" to be able to hold sov. A small alliance wants to exist in null, they better learn how to live out of a few carriers guerilla warfare style, or get used to NPC null.

Like in the real life example, the only alternative is some feel good/game destorying artificial BS to prop up weak small alliances.

No thanks.

I agree. But when somebody is extremely fervent on an issue, as I pictured the OP being, poking fun at what they are trying to say is a sure fire way to get people butt mads, and they may overlook what you are hinting at.

oh well. i see this thread gained some steam. and the posts show that I am not the only one thinking what I think about sov.

i wont get into too much details about most posts but let me put it this way:

1. small corp / alliance being asocial (was mentioned here somewhere)

why on earth would some human with a functional brain think that i am talking about me myslef and I having the idea of takling sov ? i merely made a point. when you get together a functioning group / corp with lets say 20-40 people... thats asocical I bet you thats this groupd most of the time will work much better and efficient together than much much larger entities.....

2. sov space is for large alliances (how large i didn not find anywhere exactly) only

yeah but why is that so ? because the situation as it currently is does not allow anything else. nothing more, nothing less.
imagine a brand new galaxy / set of systems. assuming smaller allaiances have the isk to get the modules / infrastructures, they should be able to get in there and pitch their tent... but in the current ecosystem its just "jabber-ping -> 250 - 2000 people blob the hell outta them"

very nice.....

3. smaller companies cannot compete with bigger ones, they have to find themselve a niche

i agree, in the real world. too bad eve is just not that diverse. when a single player can built carriers, will specializing in that area of business really be helpful ? guess not. because others can do it too. he gains NOTHING in eve for being smaller and more flexible as he would be in real life because the basic processes like production, research and even travel or mining is always capped -> their is a maximum speed one can attain and thats it. you can specialize all you want, you will only be as fast / good as others because of skills and game mechanics. there are already certain ways to do things (set up PI, organize production chains, hell even Fit a ship for specific purposes) that are proven to work. so what exactly would that niche be ?

4. go to npc-null, its the same but without the hassle.

true and in fact thats where my main lives. its hell of fun and i love it way more than my former experiences in sov-0.0.
still i dream of my own "petty kingdom" as one other dude in here has put it. yeah its a petty kingdom, but it will be mine / our kingdom...and thats a difference. also i think the "disadvantage" of having to pay 180Mill / month for sov is not worth mentioning as i can make that much isk by even ratting in belt in three days time using nothing more than a drake. so yeah, sov is ohh so expensive.