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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#241 - 2013-02-01 05:41:13 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
It's like we're twins or something.

The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit.

I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for.

I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic.


Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker.

So, I quit the game again.

But, I got bored.


In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better.


I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them.

Anyway,
try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to.


PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE.

Anyway to pick apart your post:
1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious.

2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out.

3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR.

4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#242 - 2013-02-02 03:51:14 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.


Not Politically Correct wrote:

Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.



Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Roll Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts.

Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend.

(Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth)Cool


I wish all of you people would shut up and let me play the game. Itshould be obvious, even to a moron, that you are NOT in the majority.

And I checked all of the advertisements I could find for Eve Online, and the writeups, and several other things. None of them say anything about 1%ers controlling your in-game life.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#243 - 2013-02-02 03:54:53 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say?

EVE 2013: Heavy Missile nerfs were not enough to make battleship launchers viable on .. a battleship.[/quote]

You, also, need to read some more of the thread. They weren't HMLs. As mentioned above.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#244 - 2013-02-02 03:59:19 UTC

Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. Big smile

lollerwaffle wrote:


PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE.

Anyway to pick apart your post:
1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious.

2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out.

3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR.

4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2013-02-03 21:18:54 UTC
Poast.

Hello, hello again.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#246 - 2013-02-03 21:51:06 UTC
Wow, this thread still hasn't died yet. It's been reincarnated more times than a buddhist monk.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#247 - 2013-02-03 23:33:56 UTC
A number of things have been posted that needed to be said, and not just by me. Big smile
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#248 - 2013-02-04 00:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
YOU made the mistake of trusting someone with your ship.


YOU overreacted, destroying your corp.


YOU posted this thread, ensuring your place as a nice juicy, whining target.



Everything that happened to you, continues to happen to you, and will likely happen to you in the future...


IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.
___________________ .


Dehumanising your enemies is a cheap way to make yourself feel validated in your actions. (he/they/it are just ____ so I can do ____ justifiably) This is used around the world for far worse things than internet spaceship violence. It's a slippery slope, and the prelude to any war is always the dehumanisation of one's enemy.

People don't magically become sociopaths the instant they decide to join your corp to violence your internet spaceship. They are playing a role in the game, and as most EVE players know, spies/thieves/agents are not something you can ignore.

The very fact that you were so emotionally attached to your pixels tells me that yes, you are playing the game wrong. EVE is (very generally) about blowing up spaceships. Do the math.

You are also wrong when you say you think EVE was not intended to be this way. I'm not sure why I really have to explain this, but here goes:

EVE currently exists, and always has existed, in a state of 'open pvp'. Even CONCORD 'protection' is an added feature to the game, and outside of it's original intention. CCP - the people who made/make this game - have added similar features over the years, tweaking the game to be more new-player friendly. It also used to be possible to shoot fleet members of someone who you were at war with, which was a conscious decision (not sure on this one, sources?) made by CCP when they first implemented the war-dec system.

When this was the case, I once got 'betrayed' by someone in hisec (he invited me to his fleet, making me a valid target for his friends who had his corp 'at war'. This was my own failing:

1. I didn't know the rules.

2. I trusted someone without reason or cause.


I didn't rage-disband my newbie corp. I didn't come crying to the forums (I knew even at <1year into the game that posting tears makes you a target). I didn't generalise an entire group of people I don't know as sociopaths. I didn't expect CCP to change the very nature of their game to counter my failings.


I learned from my mistake and moved on. If you can't figure out how to do that, you are missing most "RL SP" that these people you generalise as sociopaths seem to have in droves.

TL;DR:

GGWP

HTFU

or

GTFO

and the obligatory:

Welcome2EVE.

P.S.

TEARS TARGET
TEARSTARGET
TEARGET
GET TEARS

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2013-02-04 03:55:53 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:

Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. Big smile

lollerwaffle wrote:


PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE.

Anyway to pick apart your post:
1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious.

2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out.

3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR.

4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.



So you resort to name calling when you have no argument? How cute and original Roll
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#250 - 2013-02-04 04:00:51 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
TL;DR:

GGWP

HTFU

or

GTFO

and the obligatory:

Welcome2EVE.

P.S.

TEARS TARGET
TEARSTARGET
TEARGET
GET TEARS

That's still too long...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kanexus
F.13 - Union of Russians
Legion of xXDEATHXx Academy
#251 - 2013-02-04 04:53:26 UTC
something happened like this when i first played...someone i met through local we talked for a few hours and he needed a corp i offered him the one i was in and to make a long story short he blew up my hulk while i was mining. i mean i dont get it myself we talked for a few hours seemed nice etc. i mean people realize that yeah they got you hahaha but they missed out on possibly great people to fly with...maybe even romances if one is a chick. i mean at least null sec and pirates u know what u getting urself into...what happened to you OP is just plain being an *******!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#252 - 2013-02-04 05:08:55 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
YOU made the mistake of trusting someone with your ship.


YOU overreacted, destroying your corp.


YOU posted this thread, ensuring your place as a nice juicy, whining target.



Everything that happened to you, continues to happen to you, and will likely happen to you in the future...


IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT.
___________________ .


Dehumanising your enemies is a cheap way to make yourself feel validated in your actions. (he/they/it are just ____ so I can do ____ justifiably) This is used around the world for far worse things than internet spaceship violence. It's a slippery slope, and the prelude to any war is always the dehumanisation of one's enemy.

People don't magically become sociopaths the instant they decide to join your corp to violence your internet spaceship. They are playing a role in the game, and as most EVE players know, spies/thieves/agents are not something you can ignore.

The very fact that you were so emotionally attached to your pixels tells me that yes, you are playing the game wrong. EVE is (very generally) about blowing up spaceships. Do the math.

You are also wrong when you say you think EVE was not intended to be this way. I'm not sure why I really have to explain this, but here goes:

EVE currently exists, and always has existed, in a state of 'open pvp'. Even CONCORD 'protection' is an added feature to the game, and outside of it's original intention. CCP - the people who made/make this game - have added similar features over the years, tweaking the game to be more new-player friendly. It also used to be possible to shoot fleet members of someone who you were at war with, which was a conscious decision (not sure on this one, sources?) made by CCP when they first implemented the war-dec system.

When this was the case, I once got 'betrayed' by someone in hisec (he invited me to his fleet, making me a valid target for his friends who had his corp 'at war'. This was my own failing:

1. I didn't know the rules.

2. I trusted someone without reason or cause.


I didn't rage-disband my newbie corp. I didn't come crying to the forums (I knew even at <1year into the game that posting tears makes you a target). I didn't generalise an entire group of people I don't know as sociopaths. I didn't expect CCP to change the very nature of their game to counter my failings.


I learned from my mistake and moved on. If you can't figure out how to do that, you are missing most "RL SP" that these people you generalise as sociopaths seem to have in droves.

TL;DR:

GGWP

HTFU

or

GTFO

and the obligatory:

Welcome2EVE.

P.S.

TEARS TARGET
TEARSTARGET
TEARGET
GET TEARS


+1

For some people the idea of personal responsiblity is totally foriegn. It amazes (and saddens) me to see how often people are willing to blame external factors for their unhappiness/failure than look at themselves and recognize the flawed thinking that led to their choices. But thats what too many people do, in game and out.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#253 - 2013-02-04 06:28:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
TL;DR: G

That's still too long...


Fixed.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#254 - 2013-02-04 20:44:33 UTC
OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again.

If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer?

Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead.

As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision?

Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Winchester Steele
#255 - 2013-02-05 00:52:09 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.


Not Politically Correct wrote:

Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.



Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Roll Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts.

Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend.

(Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth)Cool


I wish all of you people would shut up and let me play the game. Itshould be obvious, even to a moron, that you are NOT in the majority.

And I checked all of the advertisements I could find for Eve Online, and the writeups, and several other things. None of them say anything about 1%ers controlling your in-game life.




Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine.

What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously.

As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy".

...

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#256 - 2013-02-05 07:36:02 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine.

What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously.

As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy".

The tears are pretty.... interesting. One would assume such tears would end in a troll, but no, it's genuine.

This almost confuses me.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#257 - 2013-02-05 09:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Provence Tristram
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.


I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change.

They say that 4.5% of the population are sociopaths. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage.

Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel.

I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else.
Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2013-02-05 11:04:18 UTC
missions 18 hours a day I'd nerf myself
Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#259 - 2013-02-05 11:07:55 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.


I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change.

They say that 4.5% of the population are sociopaths. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage.

Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel.

I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else.


I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#260 - 2013-02-05 11:21:50 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Why is anyone concerned with the fit?

Why does anyone want to be near anything that they are trying to kill?

Sorry to bring a ray of RL in here, but I was taught not to take a knife to a fight where the other guy might be able call in an air strike.

Oh. That's right, this isn't RL.


I lolled +1

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.