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Entered a system; was flagged as an aggressor and destroyed.

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Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
#41 - 2013-01-30 16:11:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Funky Koval wrote:
pathetic and horribly failed trolling itt (given he probably won't even read it) * shrug *

And RubyPorto has a point, why he got flagged in a weaponless iteron is beyond me (and yeah that's mostly what caused his rage it seems).

EDIT do you get flagged if you accidently activate a mining laser on someone or a structure? That would actually be pretty hillarious (though obviously an oversight on part of CCP).


No, my point is that the flagging system is non-intuitive (i.e. confusing for anyone who hasn't read and understood* the dev blogs describing it). He was, per Crimewatch 2.0, appropriately flagged with the Player Aggression Logoff timer, which is a giant red exclamation point in the corner. Given that Red has always roughly corresponded to a criminal timer, and that the name of the flag is arcane, he naturally confused the flag for something indicating that he had done something to gain a flag.

Because Crimewatch 2.0 is intuitive and easy to understand.

As a bonus, the tutorials make no mention whatsoever of crimewatch, so anyone new to the game is guaranteed to have no idea what's going on.


*Not actually trivial.



its not confusing. all you have to do is hover your mouse over it and it tells you exactly what its for
Zappity
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#42 - 2013-02-01 21:34:23 UTC
Jaunty, if you are more interested in trade and profit than PVP I suggest you start with day trading from a station near a trading hub. Use couriers if you want to remove transport risk. You can easily make tens of millions a day with little effort. A trading character needs less than a million SP to be very viable.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-02-02 12:27:25 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Agent Trask wrote:

That is the seed of a damned good idea.

Let new players take up a pirate faction. Have a pirate career agent teach them ALL about crimewatch and aggression timers.



That would be 20 kinds of pure awesome.


This means CCP won't implement it until around 2025.

Blink


Screw that. A player will scour the internets looking for quick ways to make isk, but can't be arsed with reading some dev blogs on game features? Those kinds of players deserve what they get.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#44 - 2013-02-02 14:01:33 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Because Crimewatch 2.0 is intuitive and easy to understand.

As a bonus, the tutorials make no mention whatsoever of crimewatch, so anyone new to the game is guaranteed to have no idea what's going on.

There seems to be some kind of taboo within CCP about explaining PVP mechanics to new players or making PVP part of the new player experience.

I get the impression that the rate of retention for players who join seeking to do PVP, but not belonging to some pre-existing outside group has got to be incredibly low, going from the tutorials and other NPE there's no indication of even how to do PVP, let alone the details of mechanics that actually are involved in PVP in empire space.

It's no wonder there are so many people in highsec who're completely ignorant of game mechanics and think that the entirety of the game is running missions by themselves, that's just the kind of player that the NPE is going to retain.
Judo Chopped
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-02 15:19:31 UTC
You angered the GOD of low-sec and he was watching.
Next time offer a more expensive sacrifice to appease his thirst.
Conar
My Wormhole Hurts
#46 - 2013-02-04 14:35:33 UTC
There's vodka in it now! *Hic
Jhon Moonwalker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-02-09 04:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jhon Moonwalker
Just so you know, i did ask you in local a question, " are you a noob or an alt ", that you did not answer. It's an mmo, means you play with other players, if you answered i usually send 10m isk to noobs, so your 600k profit would be the last of your worries. and i'm not a gate camper, a friend asked me to finish you because he had to warp out and i always help a friend in need.

Meanwhile, you had plenty of time to warp out, or restick and jump, but to knew that you should have play with other players and ask questions, be curious.

If you wish to log on back into that game, you can ask players like me, if you're nice i could teach you trade/surviving/piloting. The basics that will teach you how to play eve. It's a game so chill out, stop making crappy plans alone to win cents, and play with others, whining like this only build games like wow where there is no fun, no risk, no curiosity, no possibilities.
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-02-09 07:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
Jaunty Revestel wrote:
I invested over 400,000 (yes, chump change to some of you with no lives)

It's chump change to this character and he's 2 days old. That's less than the cost of a t1 frigate. Shocked I can't believe you're butthurt over this. This is like calling the police to report someone for stealing $5. The sooner you leave the better. I'm already tired of you and this is the first time we've met.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-09 14:48:56 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Crimewatch 2.0: More intuitive and Easier to understand.


But only if you read the tooltips, apparently.

OP just warped into lowsec without realising it, I bet.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2013-02-09 20:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Takseen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Crimewatch 2.0: More intuitive and Easier to understand.


But only if you read the tooltips, apparently.

OP just warped into lowsec without realising it, I bet.


He did warp into lowsec. He's complaining about the Player Aggression Logoff timer, which, being bright red, led him to assume that the game thought he made some aggressive action.

Read the OP, it's not that hard.

Quote:
but I was flagged as having committed a crime.

After being destroyed and jumping away, I am now under a capsuleer timer because I apparently initiated combat with another capsuleer. Again, I was the one who was attacked.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
#51 - 2013-02-10 15:08:04 UTC
Clearly you DID do something if you were attacked legally, either went to lowsec, activated an aggressive module on another person or had killrights on you for some previous reason.

Also, the majority of Eve players are normal ordinary people enjoying a video game, the myth that Eve players are all sadistic degenerate neckbeards is just that, a myth. There are plenty of virginal neckbeards who got bullied at school, but they arn't the majority by any means.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-02-10 22:07:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
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He did warp into lowsec. He's complaining about the Player Aggression Logoff timer, which, being bright red, led him to assume that the game thought he made some aggressive action.

Read the OP, it's not that hard.



I suppose. Its a timer that prevents you from being logged off immediately in space, because you were aggressed by another player. Any ideas on a better name? I hadn't encountered it before either, but I did bother to read the tooltip.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-02-10 22:11:43 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Clearly you DID do something if you were attacked legally, either went to lowsec, activated an aggressive module on another person or had killrights on you for some previous reason.

Also, the majority of Eve players are normal ordinary people enjoying a video game, the myth that Eve players are all sadistic degenerate neckbeards is just that, a myth. There are plenty of virginal neckbeards who got bullied at school, but they arn't the majority by any means.


I know the first guy who killed me in lowsec sent me 20 million cos he felt bad killing someone so young. I shan't name him for fear of embarassing him in front of his pvp friends.
dark heartt
#54 - 2013-02-11 02:24:15 UTC
On a more serious note... Who trades in spirits? Or any of those random trade goods for that matter? This makes me sad...
Tydeus Mideia
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-02-11 16:43:24 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
On a more serious note... Who trades in spirits? Or any of those random trade goods for that matter? This makes me sad...


Wouldn't be the first time someone places an almost-too-good-to-be-true buy order on the market, hoping to attract some noob into a low-sec gate camp.

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Intar Medris
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-02-12 18:25:49 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
On a more serious note... Who trades in spirits? Or any of those random trade goods for that matter? This makes me sad...


You do it right you can make a few million in a hour or so. It is the little known world of NPC trading in EVE. You have to pay attention though. As you sell the price actually decreases at the station your selling, and goes up at others. Great ISK maker for noobs. The smart ones anyhow.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-02-12 20:18:22 UTC
Tydeus Mideia wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
On a more serious note... Who trades in spirits? Or any of those random trade goods for that matter? This makes me sad...


Wouldn't be the first time someone places an almost-too-good-to-be-true buy order on the market, hoping to attract some noob into a low-sec gate camp.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=8017984

That was me chasing an amazingly cheap Gallente Industrial sell order. Oh, the memories...
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-02-12 21:14:23 UTC
Corbin Blair wrote:
This is like calling the police to report someone for stealing $5.


$5 would have gotten him nearly 200m isk, if him and his friends pooled lunch money to buy a plex!

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Silus Morde
#59 - 2013-02-13 00:41:39 UTC
Maybe the solution to this is to have a screen pop up for new players. "This game is harsh and unforgiving. You will die, your ships will explode, if this bothers you log off now."

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-02-13 18:32:14 UTC
Silus Morde wrote:
Maybe the solution to this is to have a screen pop up for new players. "This game is harsh and unforgiving. You will die, your ships will explode, if this bothers you log off now."


I wouldn't mind but the Advanced Combat Tutorial kills you off not once but twice, and points out that this is likely to be a common occurence.