EVE General Discussion

My goodness, man! That is against the very spirit of Eve!!!

This game is all about being *******!! If people weren't ******* to each other MY GOD this game would be one of those welfare mmos where people don't hurt other players for fun!

Firstly..... Do Note that I'm here posting with my Main. Not some disposable anon forum alt. That should tell you something about me....

Secondly... When I'm playing online, I certainly do feel entitled to everything in the Game. It's called being competitive.

I do not fear reprisals, I bask in the warmth of their laser fire. I am most likely one of the most "Red" objects that lurk in Nullsec Local.... My Killboards reek because when I show my face, I'm "Primary" .... When I Uncloak, I cause FC's to scream in terror "Kill that Cyno! - or "Somebody Kill that Falcon!" - yes, I am not welcome in Nullsec, but I go there anyways.

In Highsec though, if you not willing to stand up and defend what you got, you deserve to lose it.
Don't tell me how to play my game, track me down with an Agent and Show me or STFU!

.... um.... "I'm not here to fix your problem"?

That comes as no surprise to me. I mean, a lot of wardecs are focused towards what would be considered easy targets by the aggressor. Not all, but a lot. And who likes being an easy target, really?

If the majority of players disagree with you, and I'm starting to see indications that is the case, then mayne YOU are playing the wrong game.

It's not that no one has explained this stuff to you, it's that you're biased preconceived notions have prevented you from understanding or accepting the explanations.

As we can see from your post, you have defaulted to the standard "you just want me to play your way/you just want kills/you have an agenda" dodge that allows you to make believe that people who feel differently must be up to something.

It's nonsense. nonsense that I've experienced every single day of my gamer life. It make discussion fruitless, because you types don't want to know why, you simply seek to preserve your own advantages, even at the cost of the game we all play.

I don't gain anything by ccp changing how npc corps work other than the satisfaction that a really backwards way of things has changed. I don't suicide gank or camp or even pvp all that often (there are just too many Sansha and Serpentis that need killing, and most pvp doesn't fill my wallet lol), so the idea that the only people who desire reform in this matter are looking for easy kills is a bold faced lie.

In a game like this, actions and choices should have roughly equal consequences, but 11% tax (on mission runners and exploeres ONLY) and not being able to hold Sov (something most high sec players care nothing about in the 1st place) for War Dec invulnerability is not equal consequences.

NPC corp players should not be forced to leave npc corps, they should be forced to endure the consequences of the game the rest of us do OR pay a higher price for their safety (which is an equal consequence).

I've reached my quota on using the word consequences , but I'm going to use it again with this here epic statement:

A game about consequences should not shield non-new players from consequences, not without "charging" them a high price. One consequence to be dealt with in this game

EVE is a great game, it has a habbit of fostering "interactions" between people. I get a lot of in game emails from people due to my forum posts. I get the oportunity to talk to a lot of people who play differently from me, as well as like me, and from a variety of areas of EVE. This isn't something other games seem capable of doing.

I also exploit the NPC corp mechanic.

The CAS I understand can be "fun" for people to play in. New people who start out in the CAS can find it difficult to leave, because there are people in that corp who make it a point to build a "community" there. CAS is more like a player run corp than an NPC one.

I also talk to a LOT of alts in the other NPC corps. There are a lot of questions asked in the other corp channels, but they're usually questions that someone asks after they've played EVE for a pretty significant time. I mostly see questions revolving around advanced gameplay; not new basic gameplay questions.

Yes, I see mostly older players, generaly alts, communicating in the NPC corps.


What I see most on the forums is, people who are themselves exploiting the NPC corps and don't want it changed, people who've played EVE for a not insignificant amount of time and want all of the benefits of playing in a player run corporation without joining one.

New players do not need access to invention and T2 production.
New players do not need access to exhuamers.
New players do not need acess to most large ships and their T2 variants.

EVERY PLAYER should have access to those things though.
I do not think that it is "fair" to restrict people becaue they prefer to not play within a player run group. Not everyone wants to do that, and there is no justifiable reason to say that every person should.

It is one thing to understand that CCP WANTS us to join player run corps, it's another to say that they should require us to join them.

I agree with people who think the NPC corps should be nerfed, I do not agree with the way in which most of them would like to see CCP go about it. Most people would be happy with arbitrary restrictions, and "unEVElike" mechanics; I'm not. They are simple solutions, that take little work to impliment, but I feel they are poor and uncreative; not very like EVE.



Give us the tools to take matters into our own hands. I think everyone should have access to what they currently do in high sec, but other players should be able to decide how "good" at you can be if you're not working with them.

My problem is not that "they can", it's that "I can't".
Instead of them influencing me, it should be me influencing them. That should be the benefit of playing in a player run corporation.

For example:
If your aliance has control of stations in a high sec region, and you guys decide that the NPC corps will be able to produce T2 goods as well as everyone else, then I can use my wealth to support an alliance that would like to remove you from power and is in favor of charging NPC corps more to produce T2 goods.

That would be more fun, in my opinion, then simply removing the ability of NPC corp members to do T2 production. They can still do it, but it'll be influenced by player run corps, who themselves can be influenced by other player run corps.

I think CCP is capable of doing this in high sec now, and I think it would adress a lot of issues people bring up, as well impact a wide range of playstyles; all across EVE.


I would put my NPC corp alt in a player corporation if there was any benefit in doing so; there is not. No NPC corp nerf or buff to high sec will ever make it more benefitial for me to put my alt into a player run corp.

It's not a corp problem, it's a station one. In particular, who controls the station.
CCP has been a poor custodian of the NPC stations; in my opinion they need to be fired and the players need to be put in control.

I know lol.

Suppose I only ran missions. What consequences does that have? I make some ISK, but I can't think of any other consequences it has. It doesn't affect Sov, or the balance of power in New Eden. [/quote]

So you've never used your LP to buy anything? Every item you take from the LP store and put on the market lowers the value of that same item for everyone else.



and who said anything about hurting other people. Your actions DO have consequences , some of which you cannot even see.

BECAUSE what you do affects others, you too should somehow be affected, either through the threat or actuality of a war dec (which I am NOT adovcating for npc corps), OR (and this is what I suggest) you should pay an alternative cost 9beyond the tiny costs npc corps have right now).

The NPC corp people getting to enjoy the preponderance of stuff in the game while getting to avoid one of its best balancing mechanisms (War) is kinda like people living in a country getting all the benefits of government programs while not paying very much in taxes (while their fellow citizens ARE paying those high taxes). Yea, NPC corps basically = EVE Welfare lol.

people should not be forces out of npc corps and npc corps (except FW corps) should not be war deccable, but the cost npc corp players pay for the awesome benefit of safety is to low and should rise.

I am a member of a player run corporation in Hi Sec, and why is it important to anyone else to have an impact on me?

because you are in competition with everyone else in game....

If you build something, it competes with the goods I build...
If you buy/sell something.... it competes with my buy/sell orders...
If you mine a roid... it prevents me from mining that roid...

Essentially, everything you do in game has an Effect on Supply and Demand of in-game resources... and this impacts everyone... As such, we need tools to impact you back...