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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2581 - 2013-01-24 15:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
What is so hard about designing a ship which acts like a supercarrier but doesn't leave space and fits pos modules instead of carrier/ship modules and consumes fuel blocks for various processes? Then call it the new "pos" and add other features later. You could do that by the summer for sure. You could even let the pos warp and jump like capital ships if the player has the right skills, and it will be like a mobile, small, player station. Let's do it already.

Edit: Lock it down so that the player who owns/deployed it is the only one that can use it. Allow the player to specify other players who can use it too.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
Pivowarko
Dark Voodoo Cult
#2582 - 2013-01-24 18:53:00 UTC
realy bild new poses we have tOOn troble himEvil


(sorry my english)Oops
Aubaine
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2583 - 2013-01-24 19:20:28 UTC
This is an essential part of the game that occupies every aspect of space, in every corner. It could easily become a widely implemented tool if the POS mechanic were to be upgraded into something more feasible and user-friendly, and could easily change the game (positively) in ways no EVE player could anticipate. I mean this in the most positive way and I can't stress how critical a POS update would be, and mean, for the whole community of EVE...not just WH dwellers in general.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2584 - 2013-01-24 20:06:30 UTC
Is there a reason why new post notifications aren't coming through for this thread, even though I'm subscribed?


I smell a rat .....


Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Dhuras
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#2585 - 2013-01-25 00:48:45 UTC
Good to know I am a "small portion" of the comunity and not worth CCP's time
Dhuras
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation
Moist.
#2586 - 2013-01-25 01:01:35 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
mynnna wrote:
To reiterate what I see is the problem here is not that they aren't doing them yet and (evidently) that they aren't working on them at all, but that they seem to see it as a problem that only affects "a small part" of the playerbase and so perhaps do not regard it as a higher priority item.

That is clearly very, very wrong.


Ditto. Faction Warfare affects a much smaller portion of players, it was worthy of advertising as one of the new features for an "expansion". Same thing with war declarations, no one in null or w-space care about them and they are meaningless when it comes to low sec as well, yet they're receiving yet some more attention in the upcoming "expansions". This dueling affects only people in high sec, and some very limited number of people who dwell in low sec and yet somehow lack balls to simply attack the target with or without any possible dueling mechanics. In short, everything they're doing is affecting a smaller portion of the userbase than this is, with the sole exception of ship rebalancing.

Which brings us to the situation we have now. 2 developers who have clearly called us the minority that doesn't matter. What CCP Gargant said, makes sense and is perfectly acceptable, but unless he is the one in charge of this POS revamp instead of Soundwave and Unifex, it's completely meaningless.

That said, I suppose I've finally joined the rank of bittervets and am unsubbing. Will still continue playing via plex, but having a hard time justifying actually paying real money for the development team that has lost the trust in providing the support I consider adequate for the money.


^Exactly how I feel
Helena Khan
Ministry Of Reverse Engineering
#2587 - 2013-01-25 01:01:56 UTC
Just another portion. As equally small as the other couple of hundred thousand of us....
Machagon
Amamake Anarchist Community College
#2588 - 2013-01-25 15:30:32 UTC
I don't operate or significantly interact with POSes, but even I think this is an urgent issue.
Illyena Shahrizai
Perkone
Caldari State
#2589 - 2013-01-25 15:48:19 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
I still stand by my opinion about POSes, as described here: http://themittani.com/features/poses-apocrypha-and-themes


I don't post very often on forums, but I think this is one of the critical changes that needs to be made in the near/immediate future, to make the entire thing more dynamic and more compelling.

Also, I heavily agree with the above link and the authors mindset: an entire theme dedicated to revamp and overhauling the current POS system would do wonders for everyone in the game and encourage far more activity in it.

+1 to the link and I hope CCP considers a serious revamp of the current POS system.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#2590 - 2013-01-25 17:26:52 UTC
POS love bump... :)

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2591 - 2013-01-26 05:01:10 UTC

I am a "small part of the community".

Living out of a PoS provides challenges. None of which are very rewarding.

PoSes are convoluted and unnecessarily complicated.

I don't need all the pleasantries of a station to have fun. But at least make it make sense. A player can build Tech 3 cruiser hulls and sub-systems in a PoS but cannot assemble them into a functioning ship there.

Those of us that use them have been quiet for a little too long.

Player owned stations. Fix them or give us something new and shinier if the PoS programming is a endless bowl of spaghetti code.

I am a "small part of the community".

Ulam Stanislaw
#2592 - 2013-01-26 07:42:21 UTC
We definitelly need new POSes !!!

But please give us force fields too, just like in the old system. Also corporations settings and roles/titles would be something that you guys should work on because its very much tied up with the POSes.

+1
Slinky1984
Perkone
Caldari State
#2593 - 2013-01-26 08:15:52 UTC
New POS's please
Pharaoh Horus
Doomheim
#2594 - 2013-01-26 11:26:48 UTC
Yes CCP, please improve the POS management as it is an absolute nightmare and which is a shame, any player living in a WH for an extended period of time will grow frustrated with the POS gods.
The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2595 - 2013-01-26 12:08:05 UTC
I have never really used a POS though my corp offers me the ability to. It's just too confusing, I can't be bothered. A single dockable system would be of great benefit to bring players like myself out of the woodwork.

There's a lot more I would love to have. But that's the crux to see who really wants these proposed upgrades.
Red Maiden
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2596 - 2013-01-26 22:58:29 UTC
Adding a +1 here. Improving, and expanding, POSes would definitely be a sellable idea (theme) and be attractive to new players (if it were made acccessible to them in some way).
Sylvanium Orlenard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2597 - 2013-01-27 00:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylvanium Orlenard
I am a member of EVE-University and the Coordinator of E-UNI`s Wormhole Campus. Basically the whole point of the WHC (WormHole Campus) is to introduce new players how it is to live in Wormholes.

This definitely involves living out of a POS, and POSes are the main source of concern for our security. One thing that would greatly improve our security is quite simply Audit-Logs of the CHA and the SMA. This simple modification would allow us to know who stole from us and then give us options on how to deal with it.

Having a mechanic that allows us to do Reactions without requiring "POS Config" role or the ability to limit who can cancel a factory/laboratory job to the person that placed the job and few others would be nice to have also.


Just the 0.02 ISK of a new player.
Cato XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#2598 - 2013-01-27 06:50:52 UTC
I would like to be able to dock and enter a station-like interface. Flying my ship around inside the POS to access different structures is silly and irritating.

Just like an NPC station it could have station facilities but in the case of a POS they would be blank and we would fill them depending on the way we set up our operations.

As far as art is concerned I would prefer to add-on to the tower than to have random structures floating around nearby.

Mamucha
Rookie Empire Citizens
#2599 - 2013-01-27 15:35:27 UTC
So we got what we got before, someone admits theres a problem.

No put team together and get the damn prototype working, please include people that heavily depends on POS, such as inventors, blueprint researchers, moon miners... Im sure you can easily compile list of those from database based on activity....

Yes, im not holding my breath. i believe ccp cant fix this uneder two years...

While your at it, fix the damn scinece&industry UI as well. 11 clicks to launch remotely invention jobs, thats idiots design.

And then some wonder why im sure devs dotn play this game. If even one of them would play industrialist, all these would have been fixed years ago...

We were recruiting.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#2600 - 2013-01-27 15:52:03 UTC
Heres one ex-industrialist that gave up POS usage becouse how outdated they are and how difficult the mechanism is to use.

At peak time when i was fool, i was running 2 faction medium towers for tech2 invention, copying and manufacturing. have you developers ever even tryed launch invention job remotely? takes a big pile of clicks with mouse...

And then theres issues of opening your pos to corporation with other people in it. Roles are nightmare... I would love to be able to rent out slots when i dont need them for moment, but thats imbossible pretty much...

So please, please CCP, put team together to work in this new POS system. You newer delivered promised industry update, heres your perfect chance to start with somethign industry related...

Make it modular, make it easy to use, make it bossible to grant access per structure when your in corp with other people... AND for love of god, make it so invention remotely dosnot take 11 clicks no more. Im seriously considering you should send you fellows a bill for replaceing those mouse switches( yes i do electronics construction as hobby so i do even that)...

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...