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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Gallente Federation
#1941 - 2013-01-18 03:21:20 UTC
please revamp the pos system.

Yes, noobs wont buy directly into pos stuff but think of all the veterans that do! these veterans morivate, inspire, teach, assist, provide for any newbie therefor they will stick to our beloved game. So please! DO EET!
EVE University
Ivy League
#1942 - 2013-01-18 03:21:35 UTC
Count me as another vote to improve POS mechanics. Changing T3 subsystems and more granular control over containers and SMA's would be a great start.
Caucasian Culture Club
#1943 - 2013-01-18 03:23:53 UTC
Give us new POS and we won't spray paint your pod.
Voodoo Inc.
#1944 - 2013-01-18 03:28:00 UTC
I have rioted for less.

Fix my POS plx.Twisted
Kronos Research
#1945 - 2013-01-18 03:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: FluffyDice
Fix the roles system then fix POS mechanics please.

edit: and do something with faction towers.
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#1946 - 2013-01-18 03:29:03 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote:
I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard.

Remember, CCP:

We're watching what you DO, not what you SAY.
Valaria Silver
Silver Enterprises
#1947 - 2013-01-18 03:29:56 UTC
I use POS's and would like to see them improved.

Neville Smit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1948 - 2013-01-18 03:31:52 UTC
Dear CCP - you say that POSes are used by only a small segment of EVE players? Hmm, could that be because they are horribly designed, difficult to use, and aren't very much fun? Could that be because they don't provide sufficient economic opportunity or benefit, which would alleviated if players could, say, rent research slots safely to other players outside of their corp?

In other words, if you fixed POSes, more people would use them. And they could be fun - a whole new aspect to the EVE universe that makes the game more appealing.

So, please, fix POSes. Do it correctly. And enjoy the influx of new players as a result.


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Jase Shakor
Voodoo Inc.
#1949 - 2013-01-18 03:32:15 UTC
Even if modular posses are just on the drawing board, the eve community deserves to know that CCP is paying attention to this vital aspect of much of eve space.

A POS fix has been needed for years, especially no SD in a forcefields.

+1 for private storage and keep the good updates coming.
Baas Rutten
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1950 - 2013-01-18 03:34:41 UTC
I don't always gun from a pos,
But when i do I prefer it to be modular.
Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics
#1951 - 2013-01-18 03:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Miner
Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that “is what will kill the business”.
On top of that, Soundwave added, the POS system by itself would only affect a small portion of the community.

CCP Unifex, you mean to tell me that they have already prototyped a pos fix? .... And _NOT_ implemented it?


CCP Soundwave, so no one flys a T2 ship or gone to war to defend their moon goo? The market doesn't benefit from a cheaper purchase because the BPC was researched? No one lives in Null or WH space?

Can CCP's leadership be that oblivious? I respect when a company makes decisions based on sound logic, but making important decisions while thinking that POS's effect very few people is remarkably ignorant.

AFK Cloaking? An afk cloaker has never ganked me. In fact a cloaker at his keybourd has never ganked me either.

Neutral Industries L8
#1952 - 2013-01-18 03:37:45 UTC
Take POS's from the game and soon discover EVE cracking apart.
EVE needs POS's.
POS are very important and effects folks directly and indirectly also.
Please fix and I will give you a hug.
Ellente Fervens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1953 - 2013-01-18 03:39:32 UTC
Two step wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:

Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.

While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show.

Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it.

Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.

Sure bro,

But I am expecting that eve mail post-planning (to the alliance head not me personally) that tells us to relax cause them POS ARE getting a BIG improvement in May.
You Got A Purty Mouth
#1954 - 2013-01-18 03:40:03 UTC
POSes are needed. POSes need a revamp. Shelfing this would be a kick in the balls to all facets of game play.


Also, Two Step loves Gallentean men.
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
Apocalypse Now.
#1955 - 2013-01-18 03:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
I would like to allow, through setting permission to do so, people outside of my corp to use some production modules and labs in pos. THis way one corp in aliance can host the labs for the alliance and the rest dont have to put labs in their pos's, as only ONE example.

We already have the ability to post the assembly lines of modules as public and based on standing. This part of the programming is already complete. Why not let us generate income by allowing people outside of corp to use these assembly lines, please?

This can only be accomplished with one of the following three:

- a private hangar, like personal station hangars, is created for each POS module that allows ONLY the owner of the job to see his materials and the output of the finished job. These hangars, unlike the other hangars of the modules, should have space limited PER character, not per pos module and should not be usable by the corp; the corp should still have it same amount of limited space, shared by the entire corp and they use the normal hangars they're use to.

Corp members with appropriate roles (director, ceo, or station manager) should be able to see everyone's materials and job outputs in this hangar so they can manage the pos, being the owner. This allows the gameplay to be as ruthless as it already is, making anyone using the pos's of corps have to trust the corp not to take their stuff and materials. The corp already has to trust letting them inside their shield to use them; why not make it work both ways.

-You could instead create another pos module that is this hangar and all jobs owned by the same character throughout all the pos's in the corp should come to this one POS, in this one module. THis would allow the corp to relax and put up a small pos with only this module and the allowed public, again based on standing or however the assembly lines are setup, could come into this pos without a shield password and use the assembly lines owned by the corp

- you could more easily allow all assembly lines of a corp be used by someone outside of corp that is docked in station, if they have the remote skill SUPPLY CHAIN MANAGEMENT. The materials are put in at the station and the output is returned to the owner's private hangar in the station. The range would be limited by the skill supply chain mangement.

just please let us put that nice system you have for managing assembly lines to work; allow us to use it toward the public!

WE are a NRDS coalition in null security; we allow neutrals in our systems and some pos's and would like for them to be able to use our assembly lines, for a fee.
Marneous Calgar
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#1956 - 2013-01-18 03:48:16 UTC
Please revamp the POS system, I use it everyday and have to constantly work around its shortcomings.
Renton Brax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1957 - 2013-01-18 03:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Renton Brax
I endorse this thread and all that it stands for.

Now back to the DAR.

#1958 - 2013-01-18 03:55:25 UTC
It would be a travesty to overlook poses within the next 6 months. This has been put off way too long.

Spaceship Pilot.

Fhloston Enterprises
#1959 - 2013-01-18 03:57:24 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please reconsider your approach to POS improvements. These structures are more than a tower, they're the backbone and ecosystem for a great many players and corps. Any improvements to the usability of POS and modules yields direct benefits to many players.

How many threads were made begging for the ability to walk around in 3D avatars? It is completely unfair to compare the investment in POS improvements to previous failures for large projects. This is something you -can- invest resources in to yield positive benefits. If you need proof, look at Ultima Online. There's no way that game would have been as popular or lasted as long as it did without their investments in amazing player housing.

POS are our homes in your sandbox. Please help us manage them, organize their occupants, and use them creatively.

Best regards.
Lucina Dark
Strictly Average Wormhole Group
#1960 - 2013-01-18 03:59:21 UTC
I'm not really decided between fixing the existing system or totally rewriting it, but I'd make two points:

1. CCP, if you say you're going to do something, do something. Doing nothing for a long time after you say something is coming will guarantee a big nasty reaction from your subscribers.

2. The current POS system is an enormous pain in the arse, and honestly ought to be embarrassing enough for you folks to spend some time knocking together a few of the bigger, easier ideas that would make living in a POS less awful.

Look, if you know you want to start from scratch but can't redo the whole thing right now for various reasons, that isn't a reason to ignore it completely; yes, it might be throwaway work, but fixing a few big things might be enough to get people to put the pitchforks back into the shed.

Please. Do something.