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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Zackgar
Lead Farmers
#1001 - 2013-01-17 16:00:39 UTC
And after 1000 posts, can we get an official CCP response to this in here?
mulgrew Zero
Weyland Mulgrew Corporation
#1002 - 2013-01-17 16:00:53 UTC
[quote=Steve Ronuken]While it's not simple, what I want to see as a minimum is:

Allow anyone in a player corp to launch a POS, anywhere in a system, then lock down who can use it/access it/unanchor it to specific lists of players (one for each). A player level resource, not a Corp level one.

lets just keep them on moons for the time being
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1003 - 2013-01-17 16:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Axloth Okiah
#1003


also, could we get more CSMs to show their lovely faces (and support) here?



edit: lol it was meant to be #1000, but theres new post every couple seonds...

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1004 - 2013-01-17 16:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
1000+

Two step wrote:
I just wanted to thank everyone for all the fantastic support. I was trying to read everything, but the posts are coming faster than I can read them. Please keep spreading the word, and showing CCP that you care about something being done for POSes.



Well. Read this: http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/why-ccp-is-wrong-about-modular-poses.html

And then think about WHY MINECRAFT HAVE 8.962.662 copies sold!?

And think WHY LEGO is one of the most popular franchises in the world..

And think that EVE could have it all...

Spread the word ppl.

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
industrial oblitorator
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1005 - 2013-01-17 16:01:10 UTC
please

http://www.eve-outtakes.de/industrial-oblitorator.jpg Indy 0/
Thomas Serenaya
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1006 - 2013-01-17 16:01:53 UTC
Starbases have existed more or less in their current form since i first started, and even in my first year when i had no real position inside the corp i was in, i had first exeriences with the Mechanics behind it and even back then it lacked some for me.
I have since changed corps, been director, been CEO of a corp and while i got more and more to do with Starbases,
(for example about half a year i did not dock once, i lived inside a forcefield) as i ventured out inot less secure space, the Starbase Mechanics stayed almost the same (yes you can shoot the guns now, and yes starbase guns are useless these days if facing a proper fleet).
The only positive things out of about 7 years dealing with starbases one way or the other, i can say about starbases is, that i kind of got used to the horrible mechanic behind it and know what to do.

Granted i don't know as much about the potential mechanics behind the new ideas to aproach starbases, however what i read so far about the modular POS idea, where ships in order to be save can integrate with a POS to be protected by its shield, armor , structure and reinforce mode, sounds like both more interesting to play with from a player perspective (no diving in and out of shields to hope and kill off attackers you can't face fleet on fleet, no issues with leaked passwords, hiding at a POS is valid to get away from imidiate danger but won't protect you from a force that potentially can just blow the POS up).
If done right it will make POS a more easy to use tool for everyone from the small corp trying to gt some lower level moon mineral (or whatever you use them for in the future) to the person inside an alliance responsible for dozens of POS.

In my opinion POS need an Overhaul, they need to get much easier to use from the perspective of a POS Manager, espacially when it comes to setting up, configuring or dismantling a POS.
I also think that new meachnics to "live inside" a POS would be helpfull, not particulary making it much easier but getting rid of old and outdated mechanics like shield passwords and replace them with access rights depending on access lists, and standings for example.
Kara Kardan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1007 - 2013-01-17 16:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Kardan
Posts come faster then i can read them, hows that for minor part.

Just to reiterate, changes in small steps and continued development would be a great step in the right direction, more security, easier setup more abilites inside a pos, like T3 subsystem change out possible or ship repairs for example.

And maybe one time we really get a home between the stars. Who wouldnt want that, a personal own base.

Id also like to mention the many subscriptions that could been had. I personally know people that created more accounts to setup industry in poses, enable these that build and add to the game!
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#1008 - 2013-01-17 16:02:43 UTC
Biterno Sintaph wrote:
Dear CCP,

When I was a young carebear I dreamt of owning my own little empire. An empire consisting of beautiful Amarr ships, cargoholds full of exotic dancers, and some place to settle down and call my own. A "Biterno's Pleasure Hub", if you will. Some place I never had to share with any other pilot.

And then I learned about the POS interface. And how long and painful it was to set one up. And how much of a pain it was to do things in a POS that would be fairly easy at a station. I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

My point is, a POS revamp doesn't just have to be a "make the bittervets shut up already" feature. It could also be a "Hey newbies, here's a way to carve out your own empire that doesn't require the cost of a Station egg!" feature. You have stated in previous blogs and minutes that a major factor of EVE sales is empire building and empire crushing; giant null-sec fights of people attacking and defending the things other people built. Then encourage the newbies to make more things to crush.

Please reconsider.

Thank you,

~~ Biterno Sintaph


Quoting a valuable post.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#1009 - 2013-01-17 16:02:50 UTC
Multiple characters spread over several accounts crew checking in.

I do business with my POS daily. The POS/industry side of the house needs an update.

/supported

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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1010 - 2013-01-17 16:02:52 UTC
Besides, didnt CCP kinda promised POS revamp on fanfest?

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Sylia
Jita Surf Club
#1011 - 2013-01-17 16:02:56 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Allucia Darkcreft wrote:
CCP,

I am a new player; I bought in to EVE after years and years of abstaining with the advent of Retribution.

I come from years of playing virtually every MMO other than EVE. I have an MMO career that can be measured in decades. I have given years of my life to Zork, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Rift, Guild Wars and its sequel, and, most importantly yet not prominently, Star Wars Galaxies. Of those games, only my Star Wars Galaxies time is a time I yearn again for. That is because it was a sandbox that allowed true freedom, much to the same extent (though far further in its heyday) that EVE does.

After years of holy trininty hotbar gameplay, EVE has me rapt. It's different. It's freeform. It's bold and ruthless, cold and merciless. It challenges me to use every skill I have in real life — social skills, business skills, and of course some level of dexterity and strategic thinking — to make a path for myself in it. It is a fascinating universe, and I hesitate to call it a game: it is a simulation of reality, and as a result, I am hooked.

As a new player, I feel that my voice should be of utmost concern to you. I have not years of allegiance to EVE. I have not a swath of friends which keep me in the game regardless of the changes you make. I am the 99%; I am the non-subscriber turned subscriber on the verge of becoming an evangelist — an EVEangelist.

To me, the thought of having my own POS is the current driving force. That's what I want to do in your sandbox. Your sandbox is sold as one where I can make my own way and do what I love. POSs are exactly what I want to do, and to think that the one thing that is propelling me in my newfound journey is not of consequence to you has me reconsidering my newfound addiction to your fine product.

POSs represent what I believe to be the most unique aspect of EVE and one of its biggest potential selling points. The PVP aspects of EVE are well known to outsiders, but that you can own your own piece of the game world is something that largely exists only in the minds of outsiders as an element of SWG. I had no idea you could own your own chunk of space until I had already subscribed, and I would bet quite a great deal of money that if non-subscribers knew about POSs, and they were given the time in the limelight with a solid update, that a HUGE chunk of new players would come onboard. This would be especially true if the POS gameplay could offer newer players a way to manage a smaller base in high sec; something simple but something to call their own.

Prove to me that you listen, CCP. Prove to me, and to the new players like me — the ones that you want, which will grow your universe and your profits and give you another ten years — that I owe it to you to give you years of my life, my voice, my imagination, and my money.

Prove to me, and I will be yours.


Here is your chance CCP. Will you take it?



When I first joined eve, found a small corp, we dreamed of heading into 0.0 with nothign but a pos and dreams. We set one up, disbanded not long after. What killed the dream, it was a (P)ile (O)f (S)hit headache
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#1012 - 2013-01-17 16:03:08 UTC
Allucia Darkcreft wrote:
CCP,

I am a new player; I bought in to EVE after years and years of abstaining with the advent of Retribution.

I come from years of playing virtually every MMO other than EVE. I have an MMO career that can be measured in decades. I have given years of my life to Zork, Everquest, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XI, Rift, Guild Wars and its sequel, and, most importantly yet not prominently, Star Wars Galaxies. Of those games, only my Star Wars Galaxies time is a time I yearn again for. That is because it was a sandbox that allowed true freedom, much to the same extent (though far further in its heyday) that EVE does.

After years of holy trininty hotbar gameplay, EVE has me rapt. It's different. It's freeform. It's bold and ruthless, cold and merciless. It challenges me to use every skill I have in real life — social skills, business skills, and of course some level of dexterity and strategic thinking — to make a path for myself in it. It is a fascinating universe, and I hesitate to call it a game: it is a simulation of reality, and as a result, I am hooked.

As a new player, I feel that my voice should be of utmost concern to you. I have not years of allegiance to EVE. I have not a swath of friends which keep me in the game regardless of the changes you make. I am the 99%; I am the non-subscriber turned subscriber on the verge of becoming an evangelist — an EVEangelist.

To me, the thought of having my own POS is the current driving force. That's what I want to do in your sandbox. Your sandbox is sold as one where I can make my own way and do what I love. POSs are exactly what I want to do, and to think that the one thing that is propelling me in my newfound journey is not of consequence to you has me reconsidering my newfound addiction to your fine product.

POSs represent what I believe to be the most unique aspect of EVE and one of its biggest potential selling points. The PVP aspects of EVE are well known to outsiders, but that you can own your own piece of the game world is something that largely exists only in the minds of outsiders as an element of SWG. I had no idea you could own your own chunk of space until I had already subscribed, and I would bet quite a great deal of money that if non-subscribers knew about POSs, and they were given the time in the limelight with a solid update, that a HUGE chunk of new players would come onboard. This would be especially true if the POS gameplay could offer newer players a way to manage a smaller base in high sec; something simple but something to call their own.

Prove to me that you listen, CCP. Prove to me, and to the new players like me — the ones that you want, which will grow your universe and your profits and give you another ten years — that I owe it to you to give you years of my life, my voice, my imagination, and my money.

Prove to me, and I will be yours.


Quoting another valuable post, so it doesn't get lost.
Lightword
Wish to Dream
#1013 - 2013-01-17 16:04:19 UTC
POS's are what fuel the biggest kills in the game, without POS's we are nothing. Most T2 ships would be impossible to make. Super Caps would not exist. Scrubs in low sec to null sec would have no where to hide. POS's in a way fuel this game in ways that have yet to be discovered or pondered. To over look this fact would be detrimental to EVE Online's future.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1014 - 2013-01-17 16:04:46 UTC
Two step wrote:
I just wanted to thank everyone for all the fantastic support. I was trying to read everything, but the posts are coming faster than I can read them. Please keep spreading the word, and showing CCP that you care about something being done for POSes.


Just as an aside, thank you Two Step for raising this point. You have one of my votes should you decide to stand again this year.

...
Lycosa Horribilis
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1015 - 2013-01-17 16:04:52 UTC
Yer. fix the ****
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#1016 - 2013-01-17 16:04:52 UTC
Zackgar wrote:
And after 1000 posts, can we get an official CCP response to this in here?


I want this as much as anybody. But sometimes I think waiting a bit is smart.

The worst that could happen is that a snubbed CCP dev comes in, reiterates their current position and gets entrenched.

Give them time to think it over, let our opinions sink in. Now, obvs., if they NEVER reply, that would be bad. But i don't need an immediate reply, I actual prefer not to get one.
Kani Prost
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1017 - 2013-01-17 16:05:48 UTC
+1
Chin'Mei
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1018 - 2013-01-17 16:05:57 UTC
Oh god, change the POS mechanics already. I did it for two months, and in the effect quit eve for a year.
Tsioc
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1019 - 2013-01-17 16:07:39 UTC
I agree, the POS system needs to be improved.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#1020 - 2013-01-17 16:07:58 UTC
Although I agree with everyone that POSes are to be overhauled in some way AND I know that especially wormhole dwellers are dependent on them, I also like the vision of "theme-based expansions" that is also laid out in the meeting minutes.


I do not want to force CCP to do anything by creating a threadnaught here.


...although it is true that I also stumbled over exactly these quotes when I read part of the minutes.
I do not have the tools to monitor the whole population, but from my experience, it is hard to believe that POSes are only relevant for a small number of people.
E.G. my corp is working around the whole matter by sitting in NPC-nullsec, but that is not because we would not be interested in POSes.
It is just that POSes create work.
Work that will land on the shoulders of few.
Where I would be one of the few.

Solution: no permanent POS for my corp. We found other ways to have fun in EVE. If there would be better POSes we might reconsider.
But whether this will be soon or in more distant future is not that important.