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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Meeyy
F0reverAl0n3
#821 - 2013-01-17 15:13:55 UTC
POS needs some dev love
Shovi Chen-Shi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#822 - 2013-01-17 15:14:28 UTC
Post.
Istyn
Freight Club
#823 - 2013-01-17 15:14:53 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:

Try not to attack/bash dev's. Thus far this thread has been largely polite with some really good idea's and pov's why the current placeholder for POS are bad. We're more likely being heard if we can keep the thread this way.

Replying on your post, CCP is scared for an Incarna 2.0. I don't blame them because version 1 almost killed them.
I still think if they do the POS revamp in little steps, 1 at the time they can avoid another furious rage.


I didn't attack or bash him in the least, I asked him a question regarding his flip flop against his previous statements.
Huiron
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#824 - 2013-01-17 15:15:03 UTC
To say that only a few people would be touched by a new modular pos system, seem to me to be evading the real issue. Which i suspect ( and apparantly unifex also stated ), its god damn hard to do.

However, I believe none of us play eve cause its easy. Rather the other way. We like eve cause its one of the most complex games out there. If we wanted simple games, we would just play EverQuest 2. We naturally expect the same commitment from the developers.

As I see it, every single wh dweller is highly depending on the pos system. And currently we could use more control and flexibility. Now I realize that wormhole dwellers are a minority of eve online, but none the less, we are growing. And many others use pos's too. A lot of manufactoring is being done in pos's, both in low and null sec.

Finally, this is about the current users of pos's. What about all the people, who today don't use them cause of their current state? I bet if you actually introduced the moduler design you talked about earlier, many more would start to be interested in them. It could really make an entire new area of eve if done right. I definately believe this can end up having a larger impact on eve that Planetary interaction had. And I am sure that was not easy to do either.
kano donn
OhHello
#825 - 2013-01-17 15:15:07 UTC
This is unbelievable.... Every single player in eve online interacts with POSes in some direct or indirect way. 3/4 of your systems in eve require a pos as a home.
Ava Illyar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#826 - 2013-01-17 15:15:52 UTC
Minority? Who here feels like a valued customer?
POSes are a hassle and an annoyance at the moment. They need a serious revamp/update.
Terra Infector Adoudel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#827 - 2013-01-17 15:16:09 UTC
POSs are awful. They affect everyone. Fix them.
MainDrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#828 - 2013-01-17 15:16:45 UTC
Nair Alderau wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet

CCP Unifex ‏@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.

This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)
...


Quoting this because it is important if genuine.

I disagree with no new system (because I think the current system is pretty broken from the get-go and would req. almost as much effort/resources to iterate to usability as simply starting from scratch - except for the art department, obvs.)


Check on Twitter it should still be there
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#829 - 2013-01-17 15:17:10 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Istyn wrote:
Quote:
UAxDEATH disagreed and brought up an example of priorities like POSes, “you promised us those things”. Greyscale replied that coming into meetings with the mindset of CCP promising a certain feature is a fallacious, and flat-out wrong, mindset. With conversation now completely deteriorating, Unifex took control of the conversation and spoke about POSes.


Compare with

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/139688-1/page/4#94

CCP Greyscale wrote:
If the minutes are somehow giving you the impression that starbases aren't a high priority, then there's some miscommunication going on. They're a big damn job to do and they need a lot of runway to get them right, but we're working on it as fast as we can.


and

CCP Greyscale wrote:

The thing is, starbases are a crufty old system that lots of people use and lots of people dislike using, and we've got to tackle them at some point. If you're classifying "jesus features" purely on size, then ruling them out means we'll never redo the corp management interface, or lowsec, or s&i, or sov warfare, or any of the other "big" projects that everyone wants dealt with.


Do you really think your subscribers are that thick, Greyscale?


Try not to attack/bash dev's. Thus far this thread has been largely polite with some really good idea's and pov's why the current placeholder for POS are bad. We're more likely being heard if we can keep the thread this way.

Replying on your post, CCP is scared for an Incarna 2.0. I don't blame them because version 1 almost killed them.
I still think if they do the POS revamp in little steps, 1 at the time they can avoid another furious rage.



True, people don't care about if it going to be a fast revamp or a slow revamp, as long as there is a Good revamp...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
BigKingNasty
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#830 - 2013-01-17 15:17:51 UTC
I've never been apart of a "1%" before! Change PoS please.
Ribs Smoker
Doomheim
#831 - 2013-01-17 15:18:43 UTC
The current POS is not working. It is not reasonable to give so many rights to everyone in your Corp so they can access the POS. Every Corp that has any amount of POS is now considered a 'small portion' of the community ?? I disagree and STRONGLY fell that CCP SHOULD spend time and effort on the POS system. I also hang on the thread of hope that something will be done on the POSes PLEASE CCP do NOT break your promise to the EvE Community.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#832 - 2013-01-17 15:18:58 UTC
Istyn wrote:
[quote=Pak Narhoo]


I didn't attack or bash him in the least, I asked him a question regarding his flip flop against his previous statements.


Ah, ok, sorry edited my previous post.
Bennet Am
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#833 - 2013-01-17 15:19:10 UTC
Some of us have been waiting for the POS improvements for years. Why build a POS if you have mess around with that crap interface?

If switching a POS from a research / reaction footing to a defensive footing was not a complete pain in the ass, people would use them. But, as the system exists now I don't know if I will have enough time to deal with it when the 24 hour countdown kicks in.

I would have 2 POS, but after running some basic reactions on the test server I decided to wait until the appearance and functionality was fixed.
Papa Boats
Birth Control Defects
#834 - 2013-01-17 15:19:11 UTC
I have played this stupid game for years. It is hard to believe that since I operated ninja POS's in Feyth under BOB and RSF noses the same setup exists. It burns out players who have to spend rediculous amounts of time setting up and maintaining these things. Have any devs honestly tried setting up not only complex reaction chains solo the first time with no help. You have to redo it at least 4 times to get it to complete. Now lets get into setting up drug chains on a tower. You have better luck getting herpes than getting that to set up right. Now lets take into account all the clutter you get in towers having crap all over the place.

Just fix the stupid things in 6 years you have only anchor and online times that is pathetic and shows how CCP Devs do not understand how POSs work
Light Theory
CreoDron Imperial Industries
#835 - 2013-01-17 15:19:19 UTC
post.
Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#836 - 2013-01-17 15:19:40 UTC
POS's are in need of a serious overhual, reading CCP's excuse's to not do the revamp is quite disturbing to say the least. I won't. go into detail how POS's greatly contribute to gameplay but I will say this. When you (CCP) say it will be too hard, time consuming and see no value in improving, Did you have that same mindset during beta? How bout when you introduced stargate? Or. T2 ships, wormholes the list goes on. If you lack ambition on POS's how will you ever deliver another Apocrypha?
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#837 - 2013-01-17 15:19:43 UTC
Speaking as someone who doesn't even use POS's, I'd love to see the system overhauled. When there was first talk of a possible 'homesteading' tie-in with the proposed POS revamp, I was all in. This game sorely lacks customization. It has character and complexity to spare, but customization beyond ship fitting is scarce. Modular POS's is one way to do that. A system that would allow giant alliances to erect towers bristling with weapons and shields, or a small swift corp with just a place to dock up for the night out in the black, or lurkers like me a way to stake a claim to a dark corner of a solar system would be game-changing, literally. Hell's bells, let some guy put up a gas station in a barren system and charge for repairs and power grid fill-up. These things would be huge, worth the time, and affect everyone that has ever wanted to have a place of their own in space.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#838 - 2013-01-17 15:19:50 UTC
POS Reform 2013.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#839 - 2013-01-17 15:19:56 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:

CCP is scared for an Incarna 2.0. I don't blame them because version 1 almost killed them.
I still think if they do the POS revamp in little steps, 1 at the time they can avoid another furious rage.

Well thats ironic because the way things are going backpedalling on the POS revamp could cause Incarna 2.0
Slavn
Flying Scissors
#840 - 2013-01-17 15:21:20 UTC
I pretty much never log in to my EvE-o forums account.

But I'm logging in to say, POS mechanics are awful. I've dealt with them for years, and I know they could be worse, but they really need to be looked as a part of CCP's focus on flying in space.