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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#801 - 2013-01-17 15:05:55 UTC
If CCP had put one game designer and one programmer to the task of sorting out POSes when they first promised it, most of the hurdles would probably be passed by now. I really don't see how a company like CCP with such excellent developers would need the entire EVE team to focus on modular starbases to get them to work.

Here's what you do:

You take a skilled programmer and put him in front of the codebase for POSes, and next to him you put a game designer who can draw diagrams of how everything fits together, and fetch the programmer some coffee when he asks for it.

You let the programmer un-tangle the POS code, and together he and the game designer document it.

Then you tell them to write a new system that can do all the same things, just like with Crimewatch, but you make sure that everything they write is solid code that can have stuff added or taken away. Also, you throw in some additional features they should keep the system open for, like modularity.

Then, once that's done, you put a full team on the job of developing the new POS system. With half of the coding done, they don't have to worry about untangling a big mess of yarn, or writing redundant code. Instead, they can focus on making new and cool stuff.


So, say maybe six months to untangle and re-write the original POS code, starting from last Fanfest. Another six months to build the new starbase system. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, considering Crimewatch was done in less time, and I'm pretty sure that was an even messier system that was more dangerous to tinker with.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#802 - 2013-01-17 15:06:11 UTC
800+ now...

Does CCP realiza the size of the mess?
Bertral
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#803 - 2013-01-17 15:06:44 UTC
Do not let the minorities down. Fix POSes, please !
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
#804 - 2013-01-17 15:07:23 UTC
I do not understand why we are a small portion of the community, actually we're the majority.

Only a small portion of the community doesn't deal with POS-es on a daily basis. From highsec manufacturers and industrialists to nullsec alliance lords.
But only in wspace people live on a POS and they are essential to our way of playing the game.

I know some of the CCP Devs are living in wormhole space while in game. Please ask your corporation CEO and officers about how many hoops one has to jump through to join a wormhole corporation and even then nothing is certain as someone may steal all the ships he can. That would be acceptable in EvE, IF there were security measures present to prevent him from doing that and they were not used. But there are almost no security mechanisms on POS-es. Again please ask Wormhole corporation officers about how they have to manage this security by segregating people on different towers, putting password etc etc. This handicaps the corporation as a whole too.

If we don't want a huge. complete POS revamp, I thing this is the most essential thing that need to be added to the current POS :

Sedilis wrote:
WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.!
BlackerDragoon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#805 - 2013-01-17 15:07:38 UTC
ShyAsianHunny wrote:
i think pos' are just about everywhere in lowsec and null. How can say that poses are a "small portion of the community."
not to mention WH corps live out of a POS.

"small portion of the community." i didn't realize that 85% of the eve map, including wspace, was only a small portion of the community.


Most of the time, I'm having more POSes on D-Scan in Low, Null and J-Space than ships, so in my opinion POSes are no small issue here. They have a major impact on how people live, and their concept is outdated.

I know it cannot be an easy task to redo them, think of a way how they would be better and actually get them made, but CCP isn't exactly known for leaving impossible tasks to be undone.
Patrick Baboli
Mad Science Union Local 42
#806 - 2013-01-17 15:07:43 UTC
Shocked wow i guess that based soley on the number of pages of comments, this topic has seen more traffic in a single morning than some of the holiday devblogs saw in a few days
ShyAsianHunny
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#807 - 2013-01-17 15:08:12 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Does this mean we will get hats finally?


yes pinky, all the hats.
Derrick Exonar
Doomheim
#808 - 2013-01-17 15:08:42 UTC
Srsly, fix this CCP.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#809 - 2013-01-17 15:09:04 UTC
The sheer size of this thread shows how utterly clueless CCP Unifex is.

So apparently spending two expansions replacing one broken war dec system used by people griefing bear corps with another broken war dec system used by people griefing bear corps is okay, but fixing a huge fundamental cornerstone of the Eve universe is not?

Are you high or something?
DJ DanB
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#810 - 2013-01-17 15:09:10 UTC
Yes!! It's a crappy system that I've had to work with just about 90% of my eve career.
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#811 - 2013-01-17 15:09:11 UTC
Fix POS's now. 100% support for this thread.

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Catlos JeminJees
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#812 - 2013-01-17 15:09:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Catlos JeminJees
The Star base system needs to be fixed.

CCP please dont go back to Incarna Standards. Please you have come such a long way .

Edit: I sukc ta spelbing
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#813 - 2013-01-17 15:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Istyn wrote:
Quote:
UAxDEATH disagreed and brought up an example of priorities like POSes, “you promised us those things”. Greyscale replied that coming into meetings with the mindset of CCP promising a certain feature is a fallacious, and flat-out wrong, mindset. With conversation now completely deteriorating, Unifex took control of the conversation and spoke about POSes.


Compare with

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/139688-1/page/4#94

CCP Greyscale wrote:
If the minutes are somehow giving you the impression that starbases aren't a high priority, then there's some miscommunication going on. They're a big damn job to do and they need a lot of runway to get them right, but we're working on it as fast as we can.


and

CCP Greyscale wrote:

The thing is, starbases are a crufty old system that lots of people use and lots of people dislike using, and we've got to tackle them at some point. If you're classifying "jesus features" purely on size, then ruling them out means we'll never redo the corp management interface, or lowsec, or s&i, or sov warfare, or any of the other "big" projects that everyone wants dealt with.


Do you really think your subscribers are that thick, Greyscale?


Edited because the above can be read two ways. :) sorry didn't want to offend.

CCP is scared for an Incarna 2.0. I don't blame them because version 1 almost killed them.
I still think if they do the POS revamp in little steps, 1 at the time they can avoid another furious rage.
Arbogast Thellere
The Karpathians
#814 - 2013-01-17 15:10:54 UTC
Anyone who's ever dealt with pos'es knows that they need fixes. Can't imagine how many like me don't bother with them anymore due to all the issues.
Glasgow Dunlop
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#815 - 2013-01-17 15:10:56 UTC
Patrick Baboli wrote:
Shocked wow i guess that based soley on the number of pages of comments, this topic has seen more traffic in a single morning than some of the holiday devblogs saw in a few days


It Looks like its now in the top 10 of recent most commented threads on here, Im just hoping somebody has started to read all this at CCP . . . .

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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#816 - 2013-01-17 15:11:44 UTC
Tal'rakken
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#817 - 2013-01-17 15:11:48 UTC
Well I don't have anything constructive to say about pos', beyond the fact that i have to suffer through their annoying interface on a daily basis as does ALL of wh space. calling the group that includes hisec manufacturers wh'ers and nullsec entities that are unable to buy stations yet a "small portion" of the eve population is frankly quite insulting. yeah we may not match the masses of mission runners but it shows yet again that ccp does not want to work on player retention which is one thing that player owned structures IS.
SC0TT Tenorman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#818 - 2013-01-17 15:12:16 UTC
POS need a rework they will burn players out in the current form and it leaves less people to play this game
War Machine
PILGRIMS
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#819 - 2013-01-17 15:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: War Machine
You need to work on making the POS system much easier.

It's slow, tedious and one of the main reasons I dont want to login.

Also while you're at it shooting structures sucks. Please stop making us do that.

PS 42 pages lol :ccp:
Romla Yatolila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#820 - 2013-01-17 15:13:41 UTC
Posting to aid the sanity of the "small portion" who have to interact with these systems.