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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#501 - 2013-01-17 12:28:29 UTC
T'ango A'lee wrote:
EVERY TIME I PUSH DSCAN I SEE A POS.

This +1
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#502 - 2013-01-17 12:28:48 UTC
+1

At least we need the damn hangars, cans and access rights fixed.

Modular POSes would bring subscribers and conflicts, and those conflicts would mean more.

Neglecting POSes is a terrible mistake and for the first time I'm ready to come down to hisec and shoot a damn monument if it's needed to make CCP listen.

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Sanctosan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#503 - 2013-01-17 12:29:05 UTC
Posting to support this. POS's are awful now and in their current state
Callia Lilly
The White Swarm
#504 - 2013-01-17 12:29:41 UTC
I am not a giant alliance or the leader of a coalition of the willing. I am however someone who has spent some time setting up and operating POS. I ask that CCP please fix the POS managment system to make them slighlty less soul-crushing.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#505 - 2013-01-17 12:29:48 UTC
Confirming that 500 posts within 10h means this is not a major problem but will only affect few players...
Remember that one guy with 5 accounts in one corp you mentioned at the beginning of the minutes? Why is he in a corp? Because he wanted a POS.

I´ll keep my wormholer-rage to myself, but fix these stupid sticks.

Let´s make this more interesting:
Share your stories of why you hate POSes so much.
Remember the time when:
1. Your own POS shot down your CEO?
2. You came home and wondered where all your ships had gone?
3. A GM had to come blow up your POS and everything inside because it was so horrible borked?
Senshi Hawk
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#506 - 2013-01-17 12:30:03 UTC
+1
Dorijan
W-Space IT Department
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#507 - 2013-01-17 12:30:03 UTC
CCP needs to take a look at POS mechanics, they're long due for an overhaul. Simply stating that it's too much effort and it only affects a small percentage of your playerbase is not acceptable.
Sulzer Wartzilla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#508 - 2013-01-17 12:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sulzer Wartzilla
The proposed modular POS system would not only have been a fantastic boon to the players currently saddled with the POS system, it would cause people to re-subscribe and new players to flock to the game.

Player-built and -owned housing is one of the most coveted and requested features in competing MMOs. No MMO would be able to compete with the sandbox nature of modular POSes in EVE.

The idea that it is too much work is nonsensical -- it would be a headlining feature like no other, and would without a doubt drive new subscribers to the game. It is definitely worth a year of focused development, as it is an extremely important part of the game for manufacturers, everyone living in nullsec, and everyone living in wormhole space.
MD74
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#509 - 2013-01-17 12:30:42 UTC
Eventhough WH dwellers might be a small portion of the whole EVE community, we are just as much entitled to receive improvements to our environment as any other player in this game. We pay for this game too!


POS security is needed, really, it is. The way things are working now is a mess. Highly sensitive to theft, which hardly can be prevented without causing massive paranoia.
Nebulae? No money for it? You got to be f'ing kidding me! Space looks nice with the new nebulae, get them into wormholes too; wh space is space too!


CCP, you lost touch completely with the EVE community. To me it seems you guys are even ignoring CSM, and just do as you please. You focus on insignificant crap like the Bounty system, and fail to finetune the game where needed!



I am a portion of the community!
SpArtA Kus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#510 - 2013-01-17 12:30:50 UTC
Depending on how revamp is done, POS revamp can touch all players (i.e. allowing public access to POS)
Anyway, it should be revamp !
Julius Lincinius
Discrete Holdings Ltd.
#511 - 2013-01-17 12:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Lincinius
Lars Erlkonig wrote:
Seeing the general lack of knowledge on how they work, how they're supposed to work, and what to do when things get buggy on the CCP side of things was always discouraging.



I got to watch a GM blow up my corporate POS tower in high sec, because of some bugged POS mods. Then he realized he couldn't reanchor it. Had to wait a few days to get a new one and then was told I had the joyous task of reanchoring everything at it for the next two hours, all so the people, who had reinforced the tower and caused the bug to appear, could kill it (a bug which only hurt our side, FYI). I came pretty close to quitting EVE right there.

The interface is awful-especially with the new inventory system. They are a pain in the arse to setup. And I have to agree that it seems like most of the CCP staff has no fricking clue how they are supposed to work.

Please don't get me started on POS security and how f$cking awful up the corporate role interface system is or I might have a coronary.
Eli Grange
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#512 - 2013-01-17 12:31:37 UTC
As someone who would like to, but has never used a POS, I wish for a revamp.

Every time I express curiosity to people with experience, one of them climbs out of my computer screen, hands me a loaded gun, says "you may as well just get it over and done with" and sighs, he then stares at me for a few bewildering moments, takes the gun out of my hands and mumbles "just as I thought" before climbing back into my computer screen.

That is really offputting.
Indigo Bowra
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#513 - 2013-01-17 12:31:37 UTC
Please look at POS. The levels of awesome this game can achieve with a rich and valuable player-owned structure system tie directly to your objective for deeper player involvement and our objectives for enjoying your game. TIA.
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#514 - 2013-01-17 12:32:36 UTC
it is very disappointing to see the big promises that are put out there, about how things will be done
and then watch the entire implementation process by a backpedaling from what was previously said

i wont bore you with examples, this just starts looking like blizzard when it comes to promises and implementation of it
and the excuses are even worse. it was known how many people would be affected by pos mechanics, just get the fracking job done as it was promised and then think twice before saying things you do not see through
Ravenstain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#515 - 2013-01-17 12:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravenstain
This thread NEEDS DEV attention! Lots of good post here.

I feel that CCP Unifex is very wrong in saying that POS rewrite would only affect those people who manage them. The number of people affected by this change cant be measured by the number of people that have POS manager roles (managers of POSes).

AttentionPOS MANAGERS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES USING THE POS (in most cases anyway).Attention

Look at wormhole dwellers - not all of them have POS manager roles (I dont), but all of them live out of a POS. Similar with nullsec guys. How many POS managers are there is GoonSwarm or TEST? Not that many, I would think, but they are used by many, many others on a regular basis. POSes are used all over New Eden, in all security sectors and by PVPers and Industrialists alike. This rewrite would affect a huge number of players!
I dont have the nummbers, obviously, but I would imagine that if you take the number of ppl with POS manager roles you would need to multiply that by at least 10, maybe even 100 to get anywhere near the actual number affected by POS rewrite.

Really hope to see some DEV input in this thread. Most of all it would be great to see CCP Unifex or CCP Seagull post here. Also, I hope TwoStep and the CSM will try and bring this to CCPs attention. If not I wouldnt be surprised to see another Jita riots event (though thats unlikely, I guess)

Ok, Iv gone on for long enough. Going to shut up now :P
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#516 - 2013-01-17 12:32:55 UTC
The current POS system is a mess in a thousand different ways. I've learned my way around it, from the arcane art of POS setup to the utter idiocy of reaction chains, but it needs to be fixed. It doesn't just affect people who run POSes, it affects everyone that uses them, and that list starts with every single player in W-space and a pretty sizeable chunk of nullsec.

The benefits of a POS revamp would extend well beyond the niche that CCP seems to think it would occupy. If nothing else, perhaps if they weren't such a clusterf**k more people WOULD use them.
Mackenzie Hawkwood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#517 - 2013-01-17 12:33:11 UTC
Fix POS's please.

I am a small portion of the community

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that. - Kina Ayami
Katashi Valaru
State War Academy
Caldari State
#518 - 2013-01-17 12:33:24 UTC
Please fix these horrible nightmares.
Giimi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#519 - 2013-01-17 12:33:43 UTC
Please fix/liven-up POS. Modular POS, jumping POS, mooring points, no more hacky docking supers to inject skills, whatever. Just make them interesting please.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#520 - 2013-01-17 12:33:59 UTC
Dat POS.

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