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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Miss Jane LeRoy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#301 - 2013-01-17 11:02:09 UTC
pos's should be something that a corp is proud of rather than the horrible mess they currently are
DiaLogical
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#302 - 2013-01-17 11:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: DiaLogical
Quoting from another related topic;

Arronicus wrote:
I may be being a little unrealistic here, but I'm one of the people who says, "You've been saying for years now, that you don't want to, because it will take a long time." Well, if you'd started then, you'd be done now...


Also, "small portion of people" affected by POSes reporting in.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#303 - 2013-01-17 11:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Chitsa Jason
I feel like CCP thinks that wormhole space is only a small part of community. Maybe we are but we all live in POSs. All 5% or so of EvE population. Im not even counting high, low and null.

Usually POSs are put up by people who are instigators of things so easier system would make them burn out less. If current CCP wants to make life of EvE organizers easier they must fix POSes.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Damo Heis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#304 - 2013-01-17 11:02:51 UTC
I'm not always running a POS, but when I do, I hate it.
Zackgar
Lead Farmers
#305 - 2013-01-17 11:03:19 UTC
I can pretty safely say that all 255 members of my alliance will be affected and pulling a u-turn like this is a pretty poor show. We've waited patiently now for 4 years and its time for us to get some love before you go back to 0.0.

Also @CCP Seagull - Im calling you out here, how can you say "We will start working to give the ”Enablers” better tools" while simultaneously ignoring the biggest enablers for an entire area of the game, and thats not even including low and null, or even high sec poses.

In fact, heres a list of players who will have a massive QOL improvement following a pos revamp:

1. Wormhole Dwellers
2. People living/building in null and low sec without a station
3. people researching in high sec
4. People who collect moon goo and do reactions
5. by proxy anyone who flys any t2 ship, or fits a t2 module
6. Anyone who does t3 production or reactions
7. by proxy anyone who flys a t3 ship
8. Supercap producers and guess what
9. Anyone who has ever flow or owned a supercap

The list goes on. and this is just a list of activities in game that *require* the use of the pos at some point so suggesting that people who use poses are just a small number of people is plain wrong.

Maybe we should all go ruin the jita monument again to get the message through
Gemi
Perkone
Caldari State
#306 - 2013-01-17 11:06:11 UTC
+1 fix them
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#307 - 2013-01-17 11:08:01 UTC
Are you kidding me?!

They can't be serious, giving a blanket answer like that. How can it only affect the people that manage them.

I'm sorry but a few months ago they were determined to change the POS system for the better. Now that they have looked in to it and have seen it harder than what they thought they've just given a blanket answer because they don't want to put the hard yards in. Mainly because it's the opposite, it actually affects nearly everyone and they don't want to tred on any toes.

CCP: The current POS system is horrible at best and even worse for us wormholers. We deal with them every single time we log in and will have to after you've changed them as well. I would rather an updated changes POS system to the currently broken one.

I don't see what else could be on the cards.. this is the oldest mechanic in the game, you've changed everything else already there's nothing else to change. You can't say you're just going to add useless s*** without fixing the POS system first, just a waste of everyone's time.

Bad call CCP, bad call.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#308 - 2013-01-17 11:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
I do not personally interact closely with POSes but they affect me and those around me, and I think it would be a mistake to call those who are affected by the usability of POSes a 'small portion of the population'.

+1, fix them.
Simca Gem
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#309 - 2013-01-17 11:09:40 UTC
posses are a mess :)
IAmSeannn
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#310 - 2013-01-17 11:10:04 UTC
Fiiiiiiiiiiiiix itttttttttttt!
Hellynx84
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#311 - 2013-01-17 11:11:14 UTC
over 300 posts in a day, on this 1 subject. Will CCP listen before its almost to late again?

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iLLeLogicaL
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2013-01-17 11:13:12 UTC
Zackgar wrote:
I can pretty safely say that all 255 members of my alliance will be affected and pulling a u-turn like this is a pretty poor show. We've waited patiently now for 4 years and its time for us to get some love before you go back to 0.0.

Also @CCP Seagull - Im calling you out here, how can you say "We will start working to give the ”Enablers” better tools" while simultaneously ignoring the biggest enablers for an entire area of the game, and thats not even including low and null, or even high sec poses.

In fact, heres a list of players who will have a massive QOL improvement following a pos revamp:

1. Wormhole Dwellers
2. People living/building in null and low sec without a station
3. people researching in high sec
4. People who collect moon goo and do reactions
5. by proxy anyone who flys any t2 ship, or fits a t2 module
6. Anyone who does t3 production or reactions
7. by proxy anyone who flys a t3 ship
8. Supercap producers and guess what
9. Anyone who has ever flow or owned a supercap

The list goes on. and this is just a list of activities in game that *require* the use of the pos at some point so suggesting that people who use poses are just a small number of people is plain wrong.

Maybe we should all go ruin the jita monument again to get the message through

This exactly.
Cpt Kaiti
#313 - 2013-01-17 11:13:18 UTC
POS and Corporation/alliance management need some attention.

Thanks in advance.
Jack Haydn
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#314 - 2013-01-17 11:13:34 UTC
Give us good POS already, seriously
Sedilis
Lead Farmers
#315 - 2013-01-17 11:14:56 UTC
Seagull - CSM Meeting Minutes p5 wrote:

Seagull: Enablers are the people who make the logistics for these large-scale things actually work.... And we kind of have a history of treating these people like…****. We put these people through a lot of painful, unnecessary work.

The approach that I want to take, is that if we look at these people and design exciting things for them, and make their lives less like hell doing the things they want to do anyway, that will create all kinds of interesting dynamics in EVE Online as a world.


These words sound very hollow right now.
Pure Rnd
The Eden Trading International Corporation
#316 - 2013-01-17 11:17:36 UTC
Rework that mess
Eternus Inritus
Secret Toast
#317 - 2013-01-17 11:17:44 UTC
After using POSes a lot in my early career in null but especially now that I have been mainly in wormhole space for the last year, this news made me die a little inside, I'd love to see CCP live off just a POS for a while to see how outdated they are and how much better they could be!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2013-01-17 11:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Sedilis wrote:
These words sound very hollow right now.


At this point, anything CCP says when an idea is still in early "wouldn't it be great if" conceptual stages is completely hollow. They love talking about grand ideas, but when it comes time to actually implement them, they start singing a very different tune (or in this case, stop singing entirely).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
kesir sek
NTvax Sek
#319 - 2013-01-17 11:20:14 UTC
+ 1

Fix Pos system ,

No need to argue , you have the numbers of POS users CCP , you know very well why POS are a pain

Do your job
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#320 - 2013-01-17 11:21:59 UTC
I logged in at work when I'm really not supposed to, just to post in this thread.

POSes need work, and have done for years. I don't know one person who thought fuel blocks were a bad idea, yet they were mostly a POS thing. Something that apparently doesn't affect many people. People love them.

I know many people across all sec areas who either hate POS management but have no choice for their corp/alliance, or like me, have done enough of it that they want nothing more to do with the stupid space tamagotchi.

I've spoken to CCP Unifex at a London meet, he isn't a stupid man.

Sort POSes out. It makes sense.

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