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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
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#261 - 2011-10-21 19:55:44 UTC
I cant wait to see all the new ships! Th Gallente one should fit my skills perectly!! Big smile
Yvan Ratamnim
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2011-10-21 19:56:15 UTC
Tier 3 BC's the new glass cannons, especially vs supers... YES PLEASE!
Mongo Edwards
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2011-10-21 20:02:51 UTC
I like it. Please make sure that when it leaves "work in progrss" status that it does look sufficiently different from the Myrmidon. Currently, from a distance, it looks like a red, upside down myrm flying backwards.

Eagerly awaiting what the Gallente and Caldari tier 3's look like :)
wicked cheese
Doomheim
#264 - 2011-10-21 20:02:53 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
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even though the blog says its going to be the tier 3 battlecruiser i still wonder. the concept of these ships using oversized guns will be new to eve, which i one reason i doubt they will be T1.


Stealth Bombers proved the concept had merit (granted, they are a T2 ship).

If the concept works, and it does work well, why not introduce it to a standard Tier 3 ship as well...


i actually forgot about bombers lol

and yes you are correct they have made the transition good and not become game breaking in any way, although they have been edited several times over history. but the big difference here still remains that they are T2, so most people wouldnt be willing to throw them away on highsec ganks or 100man fleets of them.

way back in the day someone realized that missles were not limited to the size of the launcher but its capacity. the result was kestrels shooting torps. this was also pre missle nerf so your talking a handful of brand new alts could gank alot of big stuff in highsec.

now ofcourse this would have much more loss involved being a larger bc with large guns and the insurance rebalance, but it sounds like a much better option than using a bs atm. highsec ganking doesnt bother me either way but releasing a griefing machine doesnt sound the most profitable for ccp active account numbers Ugh

no matter what tech level i look forward to flying them, as ive got all those skills to V anyways ^.^
Denuo Secus
#265 - 2011-10-21 20:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Denuo Secus
Not to sound negative, in fact I'm really happy about the new BCs, but are there plans to boost (some) command ships a bit? In their current form some of them struggle to compete even with tier2 BCs. Nighthawk for instance does not offer much benefit over a Drake. Considering the price tag it's not worth to use it in PvP. Same for Abso vs. Harb I'd say.

Additional question: any news about the anounced graphics update of all the older ships? Maller was the last one. Very great work. Are there more to come in winter? Moa hull please!
Orion Guardian
#266 - 2011-10-21 20:11:13 UTC
Master Akira wrote:
All Cruiser V, BC V, All T2 Large Specs trained crew checking in.

I'll just sit here sipping my mojito until winter Cool


Second that, I'll love this ship
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#267 - 2011-10-21 20:11:57 UTC
These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular.
engjin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2011-10-21 20:14:49 UTC
Congrats and again awesome work Pattern Clarc.

+1 to CCP for the work on FIS
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#269 - 2011-10-21 20:17:26 UTC
All for new ships, but I hope that someone is also considering rebalancing or repurposing the Tier 1 BCs - otherwise, CCP should just remove them from the game. The introduction of Tier 2 BCs already nerfed the popularity of the Tier 1 BCs from "commonly used" to "rarely seen". If the Tier 3 BCs are going to be the new uber glass cannons, then certain Tier 1 BCs (and perhaps even Tier 2 BCs), as they stand now, are going to be completely obsolete.

I refer you to the expert: http://altruist.azual.co.uk/2011/09/know-your-enemy-battlecruisers.html

In particular, I predict that the Gallente Tier 3 BC is going to be tough to balance. The Gallente already have the uber T1 gunships - the Brutix and the Megathron - slipping another T1 ship between them will be difficult, esp. with the announced buff to hybrids. The Gallente also already have the uber T1 droneships - the Myrmidon and the Dominix. There isn't much room for another T1 ship between these two either.

It would probably make more sense, from a purely game balance POV, to just upgrade the existing Tier 1 BCs to use BS class weapons. But, as I said earlier, I like new ships, too. :)
kunniz
Paisti
#270 - 2011-10-21 20:22:49 UTC
So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.

and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?

hope these new ships will be in balance somehow...
Denuo Secus
#271 - 2011-10-21 20:23:39 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular.


No need to nerf tier 2 BCs. They work as they are imo. Some command ships and cruisers need a boost. Nighthawk is a 10% better Drake and has fitting issues as soon a warefare link comes into play. Omen has fitting issues. Moa will work with boosted hybrids I hope. Some cruisers and HACs are just specialists...which is great. Blackbird and Caracal are good examples.

I agree tier 3 BCs should have a worse tank compared to the other BCs. If not why use them then?
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#272 - 2011-10-21 20:29:20 UTC
Sieges
#273 - 2011-10-21 20:30:46 UTC
WOW!!! That is a sweet ship!! CCP gave us ship spinning back and 4 new ships are coming? I'm all in Big smile
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2011-10-21 20:39:53 UTC
Vincent VanOgh wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I endorse this product and/or service. And the new Gallente BC is radical.
I hope by "radical" you mean "actually works"

Please, let's not get our hopes up. It's a Gallente boat.

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Shin Dari
Covert Brigade
#275 - 2011-10-21 20:59:08 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
These need to have crap tanks if they are to be balanced. Hoefully CCP introduce these along with a nerf of tier 2 BCs to effectively unlock the line of t1 cruisers, HACs and tier 1 BCs that was made obsolete as tier 2 BCs became popular.

I don't agree with you, tier 1 BC are very cost effective.


kunniz wrote:
So what you did is you made tier1/2 battlecruisers completely obsolete now.

and why would you fly 150mil hac when it dies everytime to 40mil tier3 bc?

hope these new ships will be in balance somehow...
Frigates will eat tier 3 BC for lunch.
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force
#276 - 2011-10-21 21:05:47 UTC
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
Mr Hurricane, your days are counted.


This is actually a really good point. Please be careful with the balancing so that it doesn't render the cane useless.

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Trillian Stargazer
Perkone
Caldari State
#277 - 2011-10-21 21:10:16 UTC
<3 ccp.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#278 - 2011-10-21 21:12:48 UTC
Time I finally got around to training Battlecruisers V I guess Big smile

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Disturbed Lucy
Zim and Lucy's excellent adventure
#279 - 2011-10-21 21:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Disturbed Lucy
large guns can't track frigates and fast / close orbiting cruiser-sized ships. Tier 1+2 Battlecruisers won't be obsolete imho. The Tier 3 BCs will be a nice addition to cost-effective BC-Gangs (Tech 1 => insurance).
Zelphinine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#280 - 2011-10-21 21:16:39 UTC
How about a Caldari gunship that actually had real DPS?

I guess that's the domain of Gallente ships but still. I'd like hybrids to not be pointless lolfit jokes for Caldari. :(